I've been reading abit, this technique Shock and Awe 2 by Ciaran sound rather up my alley, I'm always rejected so why not get it over with quickly instead of waiting? Sounds interesting to me. I guess I'd need to determine where I'd like to try it, hum. The question is does a guy like me have the balls to try it? I'd say yes since I got nothing to loose. I think a club would be most logical. I'll think about it :\