I find your argument Non sequitur. I wouldn't say being drunk in a club as 'the point'. The point is surely entertainment, to enjoy yourself, whether intoxicated or not, if the point was for everybody to get shit-faced then you wouldn't be able to buy non-alcoholic drinks.

If you think you have to be sober because you read it in a PUA book then you were taking them too literally, quite rightly you've come to the conclusion they tend to be nonsense (not gay, that has homophobic connotations).

Why be sober?

- Because if you can do this sober then you are king. You clearly have balls out confidence that probably penetrates deep to your core, not just a surface veneer. This is solid inner game which is probably 90% of this.

- Your mind stays sharper, you can react to banter/shit-tests/AMOG dickheads a lot quicker.

- A lot of girls would prefer to be hit on and flirt with a guy who is compos mentis rather than a guy who's slurring his words, eyes rolling around and swaying from side to side.

- Sinister as it sounds you can take advantage of your more lucid state when conversing/dancing with a girl who is intoxicated.

- After fat (9 calories to 1g) Alcohol (7 calories to 1g) is the next worst thing to consume given you are consuming a lot of extra calories without gaining any nutritional value from it.

- There are no hangovers the following day, you can function normally as soon as you awake therefore not wasting hours curled up in bed in the foetal position.

Why be drunk?

Don't get me wrong there is a case for enjoying yourself whilst out getting pissed up, I have done this a lot, some of my best nights out have been in this state with all my mates, I have pulled whilst shit-faced (most people do) but i've felt I've not savored it/appreciated it as much because recollections are clouded. I feel also that my full personality, certainly the most positive aspects have not shone through when drunk because that personality in that moment has been fuelled by 'liquid confidence.'

There are guys who's game is solid when they are drunk, many of them on this forum. That works for them and it works for them greatly and good luck to them.

I agree going out with the mindset of 'sarging/gaming' is not helpful but instead you should enjoy the moment for what it is, to it's fullest potential. You now know this, this is good.

Please don't feel I am attacking you personally, I am not. I enjoy reading your field reports/progress. I think you have good potential particularly with the group of guys you have around you for support/advice.