I manned up, kinoed, held her hand during the date, and kissed her at the end of the night.

Yes I was pussy-footing around before but hey I'm inexperienced despite my advanced years otherwise I wouldn't be on here. Its all about getting the guts to take what you want, and I understand that, it's just been hard for me to put into practice. It's all in the head isn't it.

But all in all, success, she's a fittie and now i'm over the psychological barrier it's kino all the way.

Daleinthedark your post was by far the best cheers mate, but all the advice was awesome and Phil I respect your directness you don't muck about and it needs to be said sometimes.