You're all right really, I think the key learning for me is I need to 'push the envelope'. I kind of knew it already, but it helps to hear it from you guys and it is appreciated.

In answer to the question first two dates were drinks and last one was a meal. I certainly did not pay for her, I never do that on early dates as a rule. I just gave her a lift. I would prefer a little alcohol on a date to both loosen up but we don't live too close so one of us has to drive each time, and I can't make her drink if she doesn't want to.

Out of interest does anyone think the fact we are both in our early thirties makes a difference? Has anyone experienced that girls in their thirties need a slightly different approach in terms of making a move and timescales to those in their twenties in dating, or not at all?