peeps are manipulative all the time they're just not concious of it. If I say to you I watched this amazing movie the other day it was awesome and you watch it I have manipulated you.

that's fine but if I knew the movie was shit and said that then that's just mean. so it's viewed badly because of how you view yourself. if you thought you were already worthy and these techniques got you what you deserve then you'd look at it differently.

there's an assumption that peeps using this don't deserve and that's why it's persieved as bad.