K, whilst ethical dilemmas always prove convoluted it doesn't detract from the fact that they do in fact play out like that. Eg, you should not kill another person, but its ok in self defence etc.

Your argument isn't complete. To say "if you think something is wrong don't do it, don't associate with people who do it and don't assist anyone to do it" is underpinned by thinking something is wrong.

How do we arrive at thinking something is wrong? It is not through the experience of having that wrong done against us? Eg, I've been lied to andit wasn't nice. So it is doing unto others as we would have done unto ourselves but with all the caveats and drawn out explanations that go with this basic principle.

I think we are saying the same things actually. No?

And SJ, in that example, no you would not get any pussy so avoid desert islands!!