@SJ I know exactly what you mean, I came from that mindset to. I used to look at guys who would pull girls in relationships with distain. Without wishing to sound too flipant about the moral issues in question, now I think just think 'fair enough' if she's game. In this community you hear things like 'Be the man who takes what he wants' banded about, if a guy is doing just that then good luck to him I say.