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Originally Posted by 1st Person Approacher
I get that females feel vulnerable, which is also why I find the idea of day game to be very creepy and sketchy, the whole way that you have to spot and then "home in" onto your target feels wrong to me, but that is what you physically have to do to make contact with them. I've often raised this concern with coaches and they've told me that it is "all in my head" which has lead to me forcing myself to ignore those signs of "this is creepy, don't do it".
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If you're getting that feeling you're probably right. So if it feels creepy don't do it. Regardless of what the circumstance is, if you feel like that you'll project it. That doesn't mean there are easier, more organic ways to talk to women though.
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I get what you are saying, I need to work on general social skills. If I were 18, maybe I would have given it a try that way, but I am 30. My alternative to using the GoPro are camera glasses, which are available cheaply on eBay.
You've got strong objections to filming, but I think it's a really useful tool. It makes the situations I bring to life "real", tangible, rather than just a bunch of text on a screen.
It is true what you say about suspicion. I am approached by a POLICE OFFICER in one of my later videos. He tries to get me to stop filming and suggests speed dating instead. He said he "doesn't want to see me around town again".
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In what way does it matter that you're 30. You either have to work on your social skills or you don't regardless. What else exactly are you going to do?
It doesn't surprise me the police spoke to you. I broke down to you with an analogy how learning this really works. It's something you learn intuitively not explicitly. I've met a tom of guys who are really good at game, and I only know of one of those guys who filmed himself, and that was after he got good because he was working for RSD. It's totally unnecessary, and given that it's provoking reactions where the police eventually get involved, how could that possibly be a positive thing for you?
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"social events or meetups."
Long term unemployed, no social circle. Not gonna happen, unfortunately.
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Bullshit. I work for myself and change location every 6 months, and I get social circles just fine by putting legwork in. You want to know where you can put in work outside of cold approaching on a bicycle? Work on building a social circle. By meetups I meant meetup.com. If there isn't a meetup on there, host one. Go to hobby based things. I meet girls at the gym, at crossfit classes, and yoga (naturally). Or any shit that interests you.
Or here's a thought, get a job. I mean that's something you should be doing anyway. If you want a job that'll get you super good at game, go to a nearby town and try to get weekend work as a club promoter. That's a classic for people who want a job that helps with game. Or anywhere tbh, long as it's a start.
Regardless, it's no excuse.
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I don't think what I've said is skewed at all. Seduction is a form of manipulation. Going up and filming a candid interaction is not. It's pretty clear to me that seduction is more morally questionable.
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That's because you don't see yourself as having any value to give. Maybe you currently don't but again, that's fixable.
If I talk to a girl, I know 100% beyond any doubt that it's done with really good intentions. Because I've set up my life and myself in a way where I know I bring value to that girl. If we click we'll at the very least have fun, they can meet my friends, we can have a few laughs, good sex, have fun dating and hanging out with each other, and if not, no big deal. It's all positive. But, sorry to be harsh, but that's because I have a life that I can make her a part of.
Like suppose for a second you get one of these girls numbers and she wants to date you. What then? What do you do? Take her back to your bedroom and play video games? What can you offer her aside from that?
Like Kowalski said, you need to get a life first. You need to be of value, with your own interests, your own shit going on, your own values and boundaries. That will be the most major fix you'll have. One of the reasons you're coming off so nervous and incongruent is because you don't have that. As if you desperately need to take something from the girl instead of trying to relate to them as a fully formed, fleshed out person
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I've been trying to leave the incel community. But when you've made it to 30 without having sex with anything other than prostitutes, it's tricky to leave because I simply can't relate to "normal" people, at all.
I've been banned from many forums. It is likely I will be banned from this one as well, at some point. Where does that leave me to go for human interaction? The incel community, again.
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All being around incels will do is distance you further from other people. It's easy masochistic catharsis maybe, but all they have to their credit is depression, suicide and mass shootings. Aside from maybe Nazis, you couldn't be part of a more cancerous community. Cut it out.
If you can take our advice to heart, and start to sincerely work on your yourself the way we've been saying you'll probably be fine on here. But if you're obstinate and make excuses to stay in the same place you might not.
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If nothing else, these videos are proof that I have tried my utmost at the level of social skill that I have available to me. In my circumstances the opportunities to better those skills are nearly non existent. These videos are my legacy at trying to "live a life" so to speak.
Despite us disagreeing, I appreciate your dialogue, Stein. It's a shame that we don't see eye to eye on videos and I am not the only one doing it out on YouTube.
Search YouTube for "daygame infield" and you'll see what I mean. I am just trying to catalog my experiences, not even make profit from it.
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You can do a lot better than this. You tried for 6 months doing game in really odd say that worked massively against you, and with a lot of ground work missing too. 6 months to a year isn't even that long, especially given your starting point. It's no wonder it didn't work. I'm fully aware that a lot of dorks record themselves doing daygame, all of it is highly sus and very few of them get girls consistently, or they wouldn't bother doing it.
Anyways, you've got advice on an easy way to get started with a better mode of doing this, anything else would be arguing over minutia. If you go about things the right way for long enough, you'll get better. If you don't things will probably just get worse. Up to you.