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Default 05-01-2020, 11:10 PM

Right, here we go then.

When I asked you that I meant it in terms of what you actually posted rather than that, so I'm not going to address the stuff that's irrelevant to that.

For most of your post, I'll just say this. Game is game, there aren't really city-specific rules aside from logistics. Even cultural shifts between countries aren't a massive deal. The key thing is having the social acuity to adapt to the specifics of individual situations and people. Given what I've seen of your game though, being non-direct, absolutely nonsexual and giving an easy way for them to disengage and leave is all essential for you right now. No offense but that's where you're at.

So on to things with substance

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i think it's because my social skills are so poor and I find it so hard to relate to females. That seems to provoke a "disgust" response from people. They can't see it from my perspective. I've had basically nothing to do with women for 30 years, then trying the most extreme method of meeting them.
They'e under no obligation to see it from your perspective, and have no immediate way of doing that anyway. If you want to talk to them, it's your obligation to see it from theirs.

Bear in mind especially if you're doing day game, girls aren't out with the intent of talking to strange guys. They're going about their day. They have their minds on other things. They might have a boyfriend or a guy they already know they're into. Also, being girls they have a very acute awareness that they're vulnerable in public - girls, through experience, have learned to watch out for and avoid potential situations that could involve street harassment, assault, or even just guys awkwardly hitting on them while they try to get on with their day.




So let's take an example from the video. They're all basically the same, but let's pick the girl in the shorts with the headphones as an example as their's more to work with. Imagine you're that girl. You're on your way to get the bus and meet your mates or whatever, and a guy, larger and physically stronger than you, pulls up. Things you notice:

- He's directly in front of you. Why?
- He's on a bicycle. Why?
- He's wearing a camera which, means he's probably filming you without asking. Why?
- He's put his hand up directly in front of you and says stop as if he's a policeman. Why?

You'd probably stop, in case this is something serious. But what at that point would you think was going on? I'd think I was being redirected by volunteer police or something. It's not impossible to get around that as a starting point if you addressed the randomness of it, but then you go:

"Umm...you look quite fun to ummm... talk to"

How are you supposed to react to that? This ties in with a thing Dan was saying about being genuine. Insincerity is sub communicated when talking to people, generally in the form of incongruence.

The approach and the line after make absolutely no sense next to each other. If you genuinely wanted to chat with someone because you genuinely think it'd be fun you wouldn't roll up on them filming them and stop them in their tracks like that. The way you're behaving is congruent in the your context of "I'm going out to gather incel evidence by approaching women, deploying my opener I got off a youtube video and filming it", but makes absolutely fuck all sense for her. This is why people's interactions seem so baffled. It makes no sense.

The opener itself is fine, but there are tons of openers that are fine. The issue is that it makes no sense to say that in that context, and on top of that you have nowhere to even go with that, even though there's a bunch of easy ways to go from there.

Your heart's beating like a fucked clock, so it's a little hard to make out what she says, seems fairly non-descript. There's no flow to how you talk at all, these pregnant nervous pauses, followed by:

"What are you listening to?"

Again, that's not where things would organically go. It sounds like clutching at straws in a vain attempt to keep the conversation going, which comes off weird again, as that's what you saying that after an awkward pause sub communicates. Like Dan said, if you were being genuine and that was something you gave a fuck about it wouldn't have dithered out so awkwardly and you'd probably have a place to take that thread organically. But you didn't so it came off weird.

At this point, if I were this girl, this whole thing would just seem weird and very uncomfortable. You're clearly trying really hard to keep her there with no clear reason at all, aside from the fact you're awkwardly hitting on her. Another hard to make out response, another awkward silence and he excuses herself.



Now...

You can break this down like in the above, mistake by mistake, but that isn't the root of your problem. The key thing throughout that entire interaction is that you're incongruent and you don't have good social acuity. Filming yourself doing day game is a bad way to solve that, it just won't help.

Imagine if tomorrow I put you in a ring to fight an experienced boxer. Then afterwards you and some boxing experts watch it, and they break down everything you did wrong. Does that mean you can hop in the ring in a few days and fight with a different experienced boxer and do alright? Obviously not. Because the next time you're facing a different set of problems, happening in a different way in real-time. You need to work on generalised skills like balance, timing, and distance.

Learning to read and empathise with people in social interactions is the exact same deal. It's a skill you learn, like balance. It's something you need in a generalised sense before you can apply it specifically, and you learn it from experience, not from watching tapes of yourself.

If you won't accept the ethical argument for not filming your interactions bear the above in mind. Also bear in mind that regardless of the law people generally don't like being spontaneously filmed without consent, and it will also make people suspicious of exactly what you're up to and why you're really talking to them. So not only will it not help address the real problem, it'll start all your interactions on a bad foot



You also need to learn to relax, and daygame is too weird of a social situation to be able to do that. You need to learn to socialise with people in general and to handle less intense social interactions. Try going to social events or meetups. There you can meet people in a friendly, low-pressure way and work on your acuity. If you want to do game take it down to the easiest way and baby step your way up. Ask for directions and try to keep a conversation going. Spark up friendly, platonic conversations when you see incidental chances for them out and about. Take the pressure off and learn to practice on just reading people right.

To get more congruent you need to get your mind straight about this situation. You said "seduction" is worse than "filming people". You need to look at your ground assumptions about that, about women and about yourself very seriously, because from what I've seen it's pretty skewed. And if you're involved with incel communities in any way don't be. They have deeply fucked up and distorted views of society, sexuality and especially women, and they have nothing to offer you. They're far, far worse than useless.


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Last edited by Stein; 05-01-2020 at 11:21 PM.
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