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Originally Posted by Dolphin786
No. We are straying off into different but related subjects and using arguments for one subject against the other. We are discussing God, religion and morality as far as I can see.
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It's not straying all you did was attempt to answer 2 points one about science and the other was your view on atheism. The other points were valid no one has started talking about anything else other than fight club which is the question you decided to answer.
Points you didn't answer which are related
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Religions are supposed to be a source of morality, er no way that's true! Even gods have horrific histories, things no normal person would do but because it's god it becomes an example to follow. How can god be a source of morality when he/they/she/it doesn't follow these moral codes?
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Basically what's the point of following a god who's a evil? Therefore forget religions even if they are true.
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Omniscience and free will don't go together, therefore god cannot know what will happen or god has no free will and therefore you don't. Since evil is in the world and ask any religious person they say it's down to free will but this argument means that god is not omnipotent. The existence of evil is not compatible with the existence of an omnipotent god with the ability to desire to eliminate evil.
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"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" - Epicurus
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More god evilness or god isn't omnipotent.
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If God is perfect, God cannot be virtuous; if God is virtuous, God cannot be perfect. One or the other attribute must give way and if theists insist on ascribing both to God, then God is logically impossible.
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"Strange...a God who could make good children as easily as bad, yet preferred to make bad ones; who made them prize their bitter life, yet stingily cut it short; mouths Golden Rules and forgiveness multiplied seventy times seven and invented Hell; who mouths morals to other people and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, then tries to shuffle the responsibility for man's acts upon man, instead of honorably placing it where it belongs, upon himself; and finally with altogether divine obtuseness, invites this poor, abused slave to worship him!" -Mark Twain
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One major thing about god is that why does he make us to then test us to see if we are worthy? What's the point? Surely that's a bit of a fucked up way even sadistic way of doing things?
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Originally Posted by Dolphin786
Yes but no, again it depends on your paradigm, my belief set is an ideal to work to, to aim for. I’m just honest enough to acknowledge where I fall short.
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Islam preaches abstinence yet you joined a forum on how to pick and sleep with women that's a backwards step surely? Muslims are advised to behave in a way and avoid circumstances that could potentially result in extra or pre-marital sex but you're doing the opposite.
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Originally Posted by Dolphin786
Gosh - a very theological question and needs unravelling to understand.
If we ask the question – if God exists then where is he? If God exists in a place, then he is limited to its dimensions therefore not infinite etc.. Theologians have traditionally answered this question by concluding that space and time are creations of God and he is not restricted by his creation. The ultimate nature of God is beyond our capability to comprehend but the attribution of power and will are commonly shared by belief systems.
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So your saying you don't understand god? Why do you attempt to follow something you don't understand then? If you don't know the ultimate nature of god who's to say he is not evil and leading us to destruction and pain?
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Originally Posted by Dolphin786
The point I am making is – logically starting with – this part of a religion seem silly and therefore scientifically I’ve proved there isn’t a God, is, as K Dawg would say, non sequitur.
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Not "seems silly", "is illogical", your trying to spin our words there ironically with supposed logic! Nice try we're not trying to argue with silliness.
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Originally Posted by Summer Junky
You know the problem with this subject is people are so sure of themselves. To say that you know for certain that something such as God does or does not exist is delusional in my opinion. And I'm not having a dig at having faith in any kind of religions here cos I think that can be a really good thing, if you do it for your own reasons and not for someone else's, but to be so certain of anything on this scale is quite delusional I think.
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The difference is one view is based on faith something you do not use for anything else the other view is based on logic, evidence and reasoning.