Direct Approach Science
Did you know that as a male you have a greater than 50% chance of getting a positive response when asking a woman out directly?
A study done in the late 70s/early 80s(“Gender Differences in Receptivity to Sexual Offers” Clark and Hatfield, 1978/82) to find changes in sexual gender differences between men and women in relation to AIDS gives us some interesting figures. The test involved having both male and female students approach people with the same opener telling them that they’ve seen them around campus and think they’re “very attractive”. They then had to follow up with one of three questions: “Would you go out with me tonight?” “Would you come over to my apartment tonight?” “Would you go to bed with me tonight?” These questions were posed to 48 men and women in 2 different studies. The physical attractiveness of those asking the questions ranged from slightly unattractive to moderately attractive, it was found that their attractiveness rating had absolutely no effect on the overall results. It’s also important to note that they were all instructed to ONLY approach people that they thought were attractive enough that they would actually sleep with them, with the opportunity. So, what were the overall results? The culturally obvious results obviously! The majority of men accepted apartment/sex while the majority of women rejected them. What was particularly interesting however was that 50% of both men and women did accept a date. The same study that confirms the cultural belief that being direct is a bad thing confirms that being direct should get you a positive result 50% of the time! Remember – attractiveness rating had NO result on the data (incoming Phil rage), everyone got the same results. Women seeking purely promiscuous activities have an added bonus because more men were willing to have promiscuous sex than a date. It’s important not to draw conclusions from these results that have no support, the results do not show us reasons for them. It could mean that women are interested in relationships and love while men are interested in sex. I however am of the firm belief that women LOVE sex too. It could also be due to personal safety – men are better equipped to fight off a personal assault than women. Or it could be due to social risks and the remnants of the double standard. So, there you have it. Evidence that being direct(at least during the day) is the way to go. Not only that but that looks (from slightly unattractive to moderately attractive) has absolutely no effect on the overall results, anyone but those who are absolutely cursed can pull of being at the very least average looking, what’s more exciting is that this is showing difference in looks doesn’t affect the outcome so no excuses! Go out, see someone you like, be upfront about your intentions, compliment them, ask them out. Forget the roundabout methods, forget trying to engage deep conversation with someone you don’t know that you’ve just bumped into out on the street – who’s probably busy. Be up front, smile, show your intentions and ask them out. FUCK YEAH! Stats below: Study 1 1978 Men asked: Sex 75% Apartment 69% Date 50% Women asked: Sex 0% Apartment 6% Date 56% Study 2 1982 Men asked: Sex 69% Apartment 69% Date 50% Women asked: Sex 0% Apartment 0% Date 50% |
So a 80’ chick thinks in exactly the same way as a girl in 2011 maybe thats why I see so many Debbie Gibson and Tiffany lookalikes.
Do you a think a woman would answer honesty, in that kind of survey, really? Yeh I told him to fuck off, which instantly makes her look bad? Yeh I’m very friendly is what she’ll say. If you nervously approach a woman, with poor posture and staring at the floor a woman will 50% of the time give you her number or 99% politely tell you she has a boyfriend. Lets guess shall we? Jay you love your stats and theory but I’ve yet to read about any practical experience you’ve had. |
With your comment on the date of the study are you trying to imply that women now are somehow more difficult than they were then and that the results would be entirely different now? Given the cultural belief that standards have slipped, people are more promiscuous and that marriage fidelity is slipping I would beg to differ.
I think you misunderstand the nature of the testing, none of those asked are aware they're part of an experiment until afterwards, it was done outside in the real world. There were no tangible differences between the results of any of the participants, I would presume that between those who are slightly unattractive and those that are attractive there would be at least some body language differences. Perhaps because they knew that they weren't doing it for real they showed somewhat more confident body language, that would only be speculation though. Knave, I've said it before, I do not post field reports. I will never post reports. I may on occasion comment about a particular experience, out of any detailed context and only when directly relevant to helping someone else understand a problem of theirs. People do not expect you to post gritty details of your intimate dealings with others online. The one reason I will accept people posting such journals of their nights out is for their own self growth, so that others can give feedback on their failures. Reports on "successes" are generally merely for boasting purposes, the posting of these is contradictory to being a person who does not seek validation of his peers. Videos I am looking into creating as part of genuine testing will only be released on full disclosure agreements of those involved. I find the fact that people are constantly asking coaches and teachers to prove themselves with infield bollocks ridiculous. The constant judging of their partners is even more shocking and demonstrates the hypocrisy inherent in the community. If you go to University to study business do you demand that your teacher be a millionaire and prove his immense knowledge of business? You do not. Not to mention the fact that I'm in a relationship with a girl that I sincerely love, going on 2 years now. |
Women today are different to women 20 years ago end of.
My only point and it is by no means a personal assault, it’s probably going to sound like it. You sell real life attraction, how do you’re clients know you didn’t just write this in your bedroom one afternoon? Sure you may be cheap, but this does make it ok. I’m not suggesting for one minute you are a charlatan, but what gives you that ability to pass on your knowledge? You really need an ‘about me’ on your site I’d say it is essential. Why only online courses? You can’t learn shit sat in front of a PC. I spent months reading and watch stuff before I went out. I learnt nothing until I started doing it. Look you seriously need to tell people what qualifies you because if you talk the talk but not walk the walk then I don’t know what you’re selling. Emailing a course to someone is NOT the same as taking them out and showing them how you talk to girls. Look here is perfect opportunity for you to make me look like a cunt who doesn’t know what he’s talking about. |
to be fair jay,
if a guy walks up to a girl with a pen & paper & says Hi, Would you A B or C the woman will answer knowing she doesnt have to follow throo.... ask the guys on here who have directly asked women out ALOT! and dont get 50% sucess i get blow out all the time. real life experience as far as im concerned trumps ur geek experiment also how many of these guys would approach an UBER fitty or would they still have the fear factor. there are a zillion flaws in experiments like this... "hi excuse me a moment, if i wer to ask you the following which would you agree to" is not askin someone out, its a survey. Wer asking 100 people would they date me! there u go new opener also.... they asked them to approach women they think they woudl sleep with, people in this sutuation have a tendancy to hate rejection, therefore if its being logged, they would be inclined to hit on LESS attractive girls to save face, and ensure a positive response if i was choosing who they approach, the results would differ. i think these results are more of an indication on peoples own selves & how they choose to be perceived, than actual attraction |
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I'll tell you what qualifies anyone as good. It's not marketing. It's not being the subject of a book. It's not being endorsed by any number of other "known" figures who only have their qualifications from either being subject of a book or being endorsed somewhere down the line by companies or figures mentioned in said book. What qualifies someone as good is the content they produce, the quality of what they write, whether the knowledge they try to impart unto others is bullshit or whether it has genuine truth. What matters is how they pass what they know on. What matters is whether they can pass any knowledge they have on in a way that others can apply to themselves. Someone should be judged, constantly, every single day, by what they put out, what they talk about, the advice they give, what they write, what they try to pass on to others and whether they pass it on in an understandable way. Quote:
On the point about offline courses, I do take offline clients, within a certain area. I am limited in that it is impossible for me to offer a 10 week course at just £200 to anyone outside a certain distance. Travel to and from a location, once a week, 10 times? It just doesn't add up. I refuse to take more than one person at a time for face to face and I refuse to charge more. 20/hr is quite enough and the online course is reduced to 100 to reflect the lack of needing to travel to people. Quote:
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What people need to do in order to get better is have their own interactions with others, they don't need to see something done, they need to do it for themselves and learn for themselves. No amount of being shown how to do a skateboard trick (is that a shit analogy?) can make you able to do it, you just have to go and do it. You can't watch a video of two people having sex and be fantastic your first time (or even know what the fuck you're doing at all - was anyone's first time NOT a clumsy mess?). You just have to go and do it. Being shown something makes you mimic what works for someone else, by being guided you do what works for you. Again. I'm just a man. As is every other person out there. The difference between us? I won't take part in the brand, I won't label myself a guru, I won't label myself a master. I'm a guy who's been on a long journey of change and learned and inordinate amount of stuff along the way who believes he can pass a few things onto people. I do this here. I do this through courses. I do this for free. I do this because I love doing it, because I was once (I know it's a fucking cliche shut up) a complete, total, utter, ridiculously epic, stupid reject who changed. I understand where people are coming from, I REALLY empathise with them too. (To see just how bad it is for some people check out /r/foreveralone over on reddit - depressing warning). |
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NERDDD FIGHTT!! lol jk.
Interesting experiement, where did you find it and who else conducted such research, I'd like to look into it. :] |
I found it referenced in a recent journal on a study by some Frenchies who have basically replicated the study in France to prove that geographical and cultural differences don't affect the outcome.
Sadly those Frenchies weren't interested in the side of the study that interests me, they left out the dating question in their study. |
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