When I first got into this I sent messages to loads of gurus including, Mystery, Lovedrop, Neil Strauss, Gambler and AFC Adams. The only two that ever responded were Gambler and Adams; they even added me on facebook. In fact Gambler has answered my every message, even ones that are not about pickup and he has never once tried to sell me anything.

Just because someone has good customer service doesn't mean their service is any good.

Richard la Ruina, ive not really known what to make off, I have read his book and seen the 3 dvds...

But,Kesia I always rated quite well, and when I have been out, have found her advice and insite has helped me considerably recently when Im closing targets.

Before I read the book, and seen the dvds I kept using routines and cold reads,and was closing randomly, however this week I tried her advice of treating everything that she says as a hook, and asking for intruging questions and i managed to get alot better interaction going..

So it has helped me out

I'll try look into it over the new year and see what the buzz is about :)

I just download everything for free anyway, so I don't get upset about the commercial aspect.

exactly considering his book is FREE to order i don't see why people should not even bother giving it a read because he is trying to "scam" you..

i have bought or paid for nothing from them and learnt a fair bit and none of it has felt like it is anything but honest.. i don't understand were the hatred is coming from.. the NATURAL art of seduction was a great read as was kezias. The general jist of it was helping you make honest deep connections with a girl, with the constant stream of emails from la ruina giving free videos and advice why do you hate him so much ??? He is one of the most genuine puas....

In my correspondence with him I've found him to be a polite and personable human being. I'm not going to hate him just because he is an extremely successful business man.

I'd really like to check out Kezia's material, anyone with links to her vids, ebooks please pm me :o)

He can sleep on my settee for a free bootcamp.

some of his stuff hasnt been beneficial to me, but some has...

I have nothing against the guy, no one is forcing anyone to take a bootcamp or buy a dvd....

and if hes homeless, how come hes just come back from South America and has just done a bootcamp in Italy ?

do you have a cat kowalski ?