It may not be "fun" but it certainly good and extremely helpful.

<shrug> You’re obviously entitled to your opinion :)

Personally, I think Unlimited Power is comparatively dated and written in a meandering, text heavy, conversational style that works well to accommodate Robbins’ irritating motivational Americanisms.

However, Joseph O’ Connor – Workbook is simple and to the point. Its format and structure is done with the visual and auditory learning styles in mind and has kino exercises throughout. This allows the learner to dip in out without losing track of “the story” inherent to the conversational style. However, “one thing that I will tell you” when “that being said” is your style appears to be auditory, so I can understand how this approach might ring true for you. Give the workbook a try and it might tell you things that previously you hadn’t heard phrased that way. :D

I would be surprised if Ross Jeffries was anything less than intelligent considering the position he has created for himself. However, Ross has admitted to treating his students like shit in the past and has had a redemptive experience regarding this in his own personal development through exercises that he describes have, “opened his heart,” which have a had a profound impact on the way he teaches. As I’ve previously mentioned, what really counts are your intentions for the other person. Is the intellect lead by itself or by the heart? I can covertly gift someone with a new understanding or state that can enrich their life and be the silent hero or overtly strip them of a cherished belief if it means getting what I want. Your intentions will ultimately reveal who you are.

I too am of the philosophy that forming an opinion should be based on as much relevant information as possible. Trance-formations is indeed a brilliant book and one of my favourites (I often loose my place cause I’m trancing out so damn hard) but it certainly wouldn’t harm the noob. As long it’s not total new age bullshit, I think if any harm comes to the noob it’s more about a lack of judgment than the information assimilated, and this, I believe, can only be remedied by more information and experience. My original point of centring on PUA focussed material is simply to save the aspiring PUA time if his outcome is more success with women. If his outcome is a comprehensive understanding of NLP then I’d say read it all, even the bullshit for contrast, just as long as you’re getting laid already. :)

OOPS!! Well that will teach me to read the posts properly I just assumed that it was about PUA well it is another acronym after all....lol

Actually dare I confess this but I am a licensed NLP trainer, have been apprenticed directly with the big guy himself (RB) both in the UK and the US and can train people with his endorsement.

NLP Books I would recommend as a starter are:

Users Manual for the Brain Vol 1 - Bodenhamer, Hall

NLP: The New Technology of Achievement - Andreas, Faulkner

Teach Yourself NLP - Bavister, Vickers

I personally do not like this book, it may be that I find O'Connor dry as a writer and trainer, however it is a well structured book and worth ignoring me and reading it anyway:

NLP Workbook - O'Connor

Once you got the basics then I would move onto Bandlers and Grinders work The Structure of Magic Vol 1 & 2 and also the Milton Erickson Books Vol 1 & 2 as well. Also Sleight of Mouth by Dilts and Mind Lines by bodenhamer and Hall

This was a really personal moment for me because along with bear, I was one of the students he treated like shit although Orion and Riker got the worst of it because they stepped into Ross' limelight. The smartest thing that I did was stay in the shadows.

Actually Ross' redemptive experience happened when a few of us called him on his own bullshit.

Later I finally got him to read the Middle Piller and The Garden of Pomegranets by Israel Regardie and after he really worked the exercises in the books he had a bit of a revelation and got all remorseful. Which is a common experience of people who practice Kabbalistic meditations it opens you up to all sorts of shit.... Good Shit but still difficult to take sometimes.

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This was a really personal moment for me because along with bear, I was one of the students he treated like shit although Orion and Riker got the worst of it because they stepped into Ross' limelight. The smartest thing that I did was stay in the shadows.

Actually Ross' redemptive experience happened when a few of us called him on his own bullshit.

Later I finally got him to read the Middle Piller and The Garden of Pomegranets by Israel Regardie and after he really worked the exercises in the books he had a bit of a revelation and got all remorseful. Which is a common experience of people who practice Kabbalistic meditations it opens you up to all sorts of shit.... Good Shit but still difficult to take sometimes.

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You are obvioulsy still harboring resentment toward Americans for defeating your precious empire 230 years ago. This is obvious from the mood of your post. I'll have you know that neither I nor my family were responsible for that. My anscestors were enslaved in the Russian Empire at the time. So do not include me in your anti-American rhetoric.

You're right, O'Connor is the best because he's English and we all know the English are the best. Robbins book is out of touch with modern society, you're right. Thank god the basics of NLP are no longer relevant. Hey, what do you think of Bandler having replaced some of the earlier techniques with new, more effective ones? Out of date, perhaps?

I won't comment on the Ross thing. Double O already did and he has intimate knowledge, as do I, which we prefer to keep to ourselves.

I remember one time we were partying hard in Chicago and Double O had rented a car. So, I'm at McDonald's ordering food at the counter. I can see through the drive through window and he pulls up to receive his order. The entire time a woman is sucking his dick and the attendent must not have noticed cuz she's asking him about his accent, how he likes America, blah, blah, blah. The funniest was she asked him about the differences between the U.S. and U.K. and he says, "Well, you know, we drive on the other side of the road." She goes, "Really!" Like the typical, dumb American (In Sync's opinion, which he's entitled to). He responds, "Yeah, our steering wheels are even on the other side of the car. I'm not used to getting road head on the left side of the car" and then he speeds off. Nobody in the restaraunt could possibly understand why I was lying in a puddle of my own piss in the fetal position laughing so hard I had tears streaming down my face.

My obvious resentment?...

We interrupt this delusion for a brief news flash.

The motivational Americanisms that I refer to are an American cultural phenomenon predicated on a predominantly Towards pleasure motivational meta program (you know, in NLP…). The British culture is mainly Away from pain and, as many other researchers have pointed out before me (just look at the difference in British and American sitcoms), each style irritates the other.

So, really, the speed in which you manage to personalise what I say, assume it’s true, put words in my mouth (sweeping generalisations like all Americans are dumb) and then base your post around it, really reflects on your own projected insecurities.

I have good friends that are American, Bandler is American, NLP is an American discovery. I couldn’t give a fuck about the British Empire, it's traditionalist bullshit conditioned in to people to get them to draw some faux sense of national identity to maintain archaic methods of government so we don’t wise up and get a Democratic Republic with a Constitution and a Bill of Rights….like America.

People are people, isn’t that the point of NLP?

Think before you point next time please.


Double O – I’ve heard Anton Wilson mention good things about Middle Pillar when he was alive, I’ll see if I can get a copy at some point. Cheers for info.

We now return to our original programming.

Me thinks polarity responder. :bukkake:

"2 + 2 = 5"

"No it doesn't"

"Polarity Responder!"

:D

Deviating from our original programming for a second..

Robert Anton Wilson is like my Idol. I Got into him through Bandler and since then I've never looked back, He really opened my eyes to alot of things. I was really quite upset when he died.