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legend 23-06-2011 11:51 AM

(Inversely) Proportional Relationship...
 
Not Rocket Science I guess but I have found out recently that the higher the HB is, the more likely you get blown out. I aint talking about approaching, number/kiss closes but after going on dates. Normally in the past, when I went on a date with HB6/7, I would have converted dates to f-close by the end of the night or at least my conversion rate would be in the 75%. It would involved initial holding hands, kissing, then back to mine.

BUT I have been on 4 dates with proper HB8/9/10 the last two weeks and not a single f-close (bitch!!). I have deleted the numbers of two of the girls cos not got a a reply after my a text. One was a stunning model from Liverpool. Still texting and talking to the other two and hopefully arranging a second date. But I find myself trying harder to get them to bed. Totally out of my comfort zone now and this is good for me...! We will see.

Knave 23-06-2011 12:05 PM

I wouldn't say HB9's and 10's are any harder you just have to accept a different set of beliefs. I had a lot of success converting FB10'S to numbers, but I agree its very hard, so I see where you're coming from.

Once you understand her beliefs its just a case of adjusting your mindset to the opposite of what she gets time and time again.

She thinks she's a hot girl 9 times out of 10 she's also massively insecure, use this.

You're the next guy who puts her on a pedastal, thats an easy one.

You want validation, approval and sex from her. Fuck with her programming and don't give her it (intially)

You have no chance with me I'm too hot for you, flip that bad boy around on her

and finally you can entertain me and try, if you like, no bitch you are going to entertain me.

Good luck man

Refl3x 23-06-2011 12:12 PM

I poked and got chatting to a lapdancer on FB yesterday, within 2 messages she had given me her number (i didnt even ask for it)
so we swap 2 txts and i just think--cant be arsed, so i ring her.
all i get is ATTITUDE for 20 minutes on the phone-- total personality failure!

she goes

HB: do you know how many guys message me on FB and say oh your really gorgeous, can i take you out for a drink, and then back to mine to watch a dvd -- they all just want to fuck me.

Me: ok, well i would ahve asked you out for a drink but youve just blown me out the water.
ok im off now ciao

she txts me after saying 'im interested'

i just tell her shes got a bad attitude and i wont put up with it.

THE END

ive realised - why am i even slightly interested in being around somone with a personality/attitude like that-- id seriously rather spend a month wanking alone looking at pictures of animals than being fake and pushing her for a fuck

Guest 23-06-2011 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Refl3x (Post 49856)
I poked and got chatting to a lapdancer on FB yesterday, within 2 messages she had given me her number (i didnt even ask for it)
so we swap 2 txts and i just think--cant be arsed, so i ring her.
all i get is ATTITUDE for 20 minutes on the phone-- total personality failure!

she goes

HB: do you know how many guys message me on FB and say oh your really gorgeous, can i take you out for a drink, and then back to mine to watch a dvd -- they all just want to fuck me.

Me: ok, well i would ahve asked you out for a drink but youve just blown me out the water.
ok im off now ciao

she txts me after saying 'im interested'

i just tell her shes got a bad attitude and i wont put up with it.

THE END

ive realised - why am i even slightly interested in being around somone with a personality/attitude like that-- id seriously rather spend a month wanking alone looking at pictures of animals than being fake and pushing her for a fuck

Interesting post.. love how she's interested just cos you weren't chodey!

Seems like you say this from the point of view with abundance..

But what about someone who is not getting laid much.. the girls personality ain't guna mean shit to them, if she's a hot lapdancer, then most guys wana fuck her..

I'm at a point in my life where I wana stay single, so to be honest, I wana fuck the girl not marry her so she can be a bitch all day long!

I don't know really know the point of this post now..

daleinthedark 23-06-2011 04:54 PM

I'd rather have a HB7 with a grea personality than a HB9 with a foul one.

chops147 23-06-2011 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Refl3x (Post 49856)
ive realised - why am i even slightly interested in being around somone with a personality/attitude like that-- id seriously rather spend a month wanking alone looking at pictures of animals than being fake and pushing her for a fuck

I'm like that can't be arsed with it. one of my biggest breakthroughs was to not care.

Like in poker or in a confrontation the illusion is that you can bluff in reality there's no bluffs just plays.

to live you have to be willing to die.

Phil 24-06-2011 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knave (Post 49854)
I wouldn't say HB9's and 10's are any harder you just have to accept a different set of beliefs. I had a lot of success converting FB10'S to numbers, but I agree its very hard, so I see where you're coming from.

Once you understand her beliefs its just a case of adjusting your mindset to the opposite of what she gets time and time again.

She thinks she's a hot girl 9 times out of 10 she's also massively insecure, use this.

You're the next guy who puts her on a pedastal, thats an easy one.

You want validation, approval and sex from her. Fuck with her programming and don't give her it (intially)

You have no chance with me I'm too hot for you, flip that bad boy around on her

and finally you can entertain me and try, if you like, no bitch you are going to entertain me.

Good luck man


this is all crap...its true, but not the reason he isnt gettin a date 2, if she has fun... shell do it again.

with the exception of 2 (which wer both fair reasons) i have not gone on a date & not fucked them or had the choice to fuck them for....

id say 5 years.... its all about making them laf & making them comfortable.. That is it. the reason legend i think the HB ++ is coz the fact u look good isnt as important to them as gettin hot guys is normal....

but the less hot girls REALLY want u. so wat u say means shit to them.

i tease the life out of girls like its a school yard... then when i almost over step the mark, smile, cuddle them and say IM ONLY JOOOOKINN like im speakin to a baby.

this means not only is there banter, im cuddlin them makin them feel chilled,
plus if she gives me grief back she is a keeper.

banter is THE most important ignition for chemistry.

Phil 24-06-2011 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kowalski (Post 49873)
You see them as 8 - 10. So you act differently. Then there is a different outcome.

Makes sense.


Peace,

kowalski

i was thinkin this but legend looks WELL so hb7s are more inclined to lust after him coz they dont get the opportunity to fuck guys like that as often...

women still lust after men

Phil 24-06-2011 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kowalski (Post 49882)
Don't be a douche, Phil.


Peace,

kowalski

in what respect? you sayin there is no way that im right?

Phil 24-06-2011 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kowalski (Post 49899)
What's this?


Peace,

kowalski

it means i was thinking that at first, but then i realised legend has a SICK body, so if he is getting women who are 7's into bad str8 away, they may be fuckin him not coz they had fun, but coz they think I JUST WANNA FUCK HIM.

where as other girls who are 9's & 10's are probably already fuckin sumone uber hot, so the are not in awe...

IF.. this is the case he needs to address it

Knave 24-06-2011 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil (Post 49901)
it means i was thinking that at first, but then i realised legend has a SICK body, so if he is getting women who are 7's into bad str8 away, they may be fuckin him not coz they had fun, but coz they think I JUST WANNA FUCK HIM.

where as other girls who are 9's & 10's are probably already fuckin sumone uber hot, so the are not in awe...

IF.. this is the case he needs to address it

Fuck me this is most naive crap I've ever read in all my time in this community, hot women only fuck guys cos they go to the gym, I trying hard to keep a straight face on this one, that's the sort of mistaken belief that makes it easy for guys like me.

Do you know anything about women? Go to the gym wait for stampede,huh?

Continuing to accept this is just about the dumbest thing you can do, but why listen to me, you seem to think it makes perfect sense, who am to argue.

Phil 24-06-2011 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knave (Post 49905)
Fuck me this is most naive crap I've ever read in all my time in this community, hot women only fuck guys cos they go to the gym,

Who said that?? u clearly cant read i never ONCE said hot chicks oly fuck guys who go the gym...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knave (Post 49905)
that's the sort of mistaken belief that makes it easy for guys like me.

i would out play you for women WITHOUT QUESTION so dont start all tha crap.

why does nobody accept that women are also willing to fuck guys PURELY ON AESTHETICS!

granted without a personality, ur not really gonna get anywhere, but women will still want to fuck you. COZ U LOOK GOOD! i know guys who get laid silly purely coz they look good.

Knave 24-06-2011 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil (Post 49906)
why does nobody accept that women are also willing to fuck guys PURELY ON AESTHETICS!

Because it's bollocks

Phil 24-06-2011 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knave (Post 49907)
Because it's bollocks

so let me get this str8

men will fuck a woman purely on looks..

but women wont fuck men purely on looks?? is that what ur sayin

chops147 24-06-2011 07:50 PM

just for the record I always thought legend was fucking tens regular.

let this be a lesson to all you chodes it always seems like everyone else is having a big party wen you're not, but this simply isn't true.

Knave 24-06-2011 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil (Post 49910)
so let me get this str8

men will fuck a woman purely on looks..

but women wont fuck men purely on looks?? is that what ur sayin

Woman value so many other qualities above looks, men are only interested in how big her tits are and what she looks like. Pathetic, I know. You only have to look at some of the greatest seduces in history, short, fat, bald ugly.

Voltaire an ugly cunt famously said' Give me 10 minutes to talk away my ugly face and I'll bed the Queen of France'.

Sure looks help nobody said they didn't but if you look like Johnny Depp and act like a pathetic low self esteem wuss you reckon you'l get laid every night, of course not.

I know it crushes your world, but there you go.

Anyway, I have to meet the burd enjoy Ibizaaaaa

Phil 24-06-2011 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knave (Post 49912)
Woman value so many other qualities above looks, men are only interested in how big her tits are and what she looks like. Pathetic, I know.

yes they do, they also hold some of the same men do, u have so been sucked into the sales ploy that is PUA... YEARS OF NOT GETTING LAID COZ UR FAT & UGLY... ??? NOT ANY MORE WITH PUA!!!!

pua helps u get girls better than u normaly would, but there are plenty of guys who are DOMINANT POWERFULL and all that jaz that MOST HOT WOMEN WONT TOUCH coz they will go... EW he is vile.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Knave (Post 49912)
Voltaire an ugly cunt famously said' Give me 10 minutes to talk away my ugly face and I'll bed the Queen of France'.

This is ONE instance, where the guy could be chattin shit, like mystery does.

this does not mean all women on the planet only find men attractive based on personality.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knave (Post 49912)
Sure looks help nobody said they didn't but if you look like Johnny Depp and act like a pathetic low self esteem wuss you reckon you'l get laid every night, of course not.


no, nobody gets laid every night...but girls would see him & say... ID DEFO FUCK HIM... girls say this type of shit to eachother ALL THE TIME, they are worse than men together...

when there is a hen do... and women are sucking the strippers cock... do they say, ERM BEFORE YOU STRIP CAN U GIVE ME A HEADS UP ON YOUR PERSONALITY PLEASE?

**

I AM BORED OF THIS CONVO... HOWD DID IT END UP HERE??


Quote:

Originally Posted by Knave (Post 49912)
I know it crushes your world, but there you go.

ye im devoed.



anyway back to legends problem.


what im saying is, the girls on his date are fuckin him coz they REALLY fancy him.

the hot ones are less in awe, so perhaps he needs to work on rapport on his dates.

that is all

chops147 24-06-2011 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil (Post 49914)
the hot ones are less in awe, so perhaps he needs to work on rapport on his dates.

that is all

or hypnotise them..........seriously though if you suck them in with hypnotic language they'll stop thinking about how they're so hot.

challenge them ask them childish brain teasers. thumb war!!

chops147 24-06-2011 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chops147 (Post 49916)
thumb war!!

if they refuse call them a square.

Guest 24-06-2011 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil (Post 49914)
...

when there is a hen do... and women are sucking the strippers cock... do they say, ERM BEFORE YOU STRIP CAN U GIVE ME A HEADS UP ON YOUR PERSONALITY PLEASE?

This. So true

Knave 25-06-2011 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil (Post 49914)
yes they do, they also hold some of the same men do, u have so been sucked into the sales ploy that is PUA... YEARS OF NOT GETTING LAID COZ UR FAT & UGLY... ??? NOT ANY MORE WITH PUA!!!!

pua helps u get girls better than u normaly would, but there are plenty of guys who are DOMINANT POWERFULL and all that jaz that MOST HOT WOMEN WONT TOUCH coz they will go... EW he is vile.




This is ONE instance, where the guy could be chattin shit, like mystery does.

this does not mean all women on the planet only find men attractive based on personality.




no, nobody gets laid every night...but girls would see him & say... ID DEFO FUCK HIM... girls say this type of shit to eachother ALL THE TIME, they are worse than men together...

when there is a hen do... and women are sucking the strippers cock... do they say, ERM BEFORE YOU STRIP CAN U GIVE ME A HEADS UP ON YOUR PERSONALITY PLEASE?

**

I AM BORED OF THIS CONVO... HOWD DID IT END UP HERE??




ye im devoed.



anyway back to legends problem.


what im saying is, the girls on his date are fuckin him coz they REALLY fancy him.

the hot ones are less in awe, so perhaps he needs to work on rapport on his dates.

that is all

Who’s sucked into PUA sales ploy? Are you suggesting I’ve not got two brain cells to rub together and that I can’t separate horse shit from sound info that works in the field time and time again. Ok so we can both agree that walking up to a chick with muscles trying to escape your tshirt and dashing good looks will only get you so far.

If anyone is being sold a line here it’s the ones buying into the ideal in ‘Mens Health’ mags and signing up to gyms that peddled the same bullshit, that looking like a greek god is the only way to endless pussy.

We could discuss this for years and still disagree and that’s fine because it changes nothing, women will a make a decision about you in less than a minute, you have no chance to show your personality in this time.

You are totally missing the point by fucking miles it’s not about personality or looks it’s about displaying certain characteristics that women are tuned into desiring on a subconscious level and yes one of them is strength but before you start doing 20 pushups, I’m not talking about physical strength.

You’re right it is a pointless argument trying change what evolution put in a woman’s head.

Phil 25-06-2011 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knave (Post 49923)
Who’s sucked into PUA sales ploy? Are you suggesting I’ve not got two brain cells to rub together and that I can’t separate horse shit from sound info that works in the field time and time again.

Do you know what mate, when you say stuff like



Quote:

Originally Posted by Knave (Post 49923)
Who’s sucked into PUA sales ploy

followed by

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knave (Post 49923)
info that works in the field

Say it again

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knave (Post 49923)
info that works in the field

One more time

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knave (Post 49923)
info that works in the field

i really cant argue


Quote:

Originally Posted by Knave (Post 49923)
If anyone is being sold a line here it’s the ones buying into the ideal in ‘Mens Health’ mags and signing up to gyms that peddled the same bullshit, that looking like a greek god is the only way to endless pussy....

mens health is what is is... a magazine on mens health. and nobody has said thats the only way to get pussy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knave (Post 49923)
We could discuss this for years and still disagree and that’s fine because it changes nothing, women will a make a decision about you in less than a minute, you have no chance to show your personality in this time.

explain to reflex how then he portrays this via a photograph, to the 100+ women he has shagged from the internet??

ur argument is true, in alot of respect, alot of the time... but dont be so narrowminded that its how everythin is. women may do what u say in regard to a suiter, but not just to get laid. and women do have 1 night stands, usually with guys they claim "he is worth fuckin but i wouldnt go out with him"

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knave (Post 49923)
You are totally missing the point by fucking miles it’s not about personality or looks it’s about displaying certain characteristics that women are tuned into desiring on a subconscious level and yes one of them is strength but before you start doing 20 pushups, I’m not talking about physical strength.

You’re right it is a pointless argument trying change what evolution put in a woman’s head.

no your totaly missing the point, all that shit u just souted about endless years of evolution... is crap that u read in a pua book.

evolution takes MILLIONS OF YEARS, free male female interaction as we know it has been around for less than 50 years maybe even less than 30....

all thats changed is we have freedom now, and women are allowed to act more like men & are doing so more & more.

and if u start to realise it, and stop tryin so hard to "subconsciously portray your a tribal leader" and just fuck the bitch...

then come back when you have tried your & my way... then we shall talk..


but i did ur way, i now do my way....

guess which one gets best results

Knave 25-06-2011 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil (Post 49925)
Do you know what mate, when you say stuff like
ur argument is true, in alot of respect, alot of the time...

I know

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil (Post 49925)
all that shit u just souted about endless years of evolution... is crap that u read in a pua book.

No, books on female psychology but who is going argue with the great minds who studied female behavior for 30 odd years.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil (Post 49925)
evolution takes MILLIONS OF YEARS, free male female interaction as we know it has been around for less than 50 years maybe even less than 30....

Its interesting you use the figure 30 as its relevant

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil (Post 49925)
then come back when you have tried your & my way... then we shall talk..

Are you suggesting a 'fuck off' rather than a 'dance off' that's funny

Phil 25-06-2011 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knave (Post 49928)

No, books on female psychology but who is going argue with the great minds who studied female behavior for 30 odd years.

ah brilliant more ramblings from educated virgins giving us knowledge in depth science of what works, just what we need.

Knave 25-06-2011 02:18 AM

I've already suggested coming to machester August bank holiday

http://www.puaforum.co.uk/find-wingm...k-holiday.html

my virginity can be tested plus we can have a laff.

Phil 25-06-2011 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knave (Post 49933)
I've already suggested coming to machester August bank holiday

http://www.puaforum.co.uk/find-wingm...k-holiday.html

my virginity can be tested plus we can have a laff.

im planin on holiday that weekend rather than manchester

Phil 25-06-2011 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kowalski (Post 49938)
Legend is buff.
I am not. 2 years ago I was buff, last year overweight, this year slim again.

I've had plenty of girls lust after me from every level of rating I care to give. The 10s are, in fact, mostly when I am slim.


How come a 10 lusts over me but her friends, 7s, don't? This is because 10s are not a real sub-set of society, such that they respond to the same stimulus in the same way. They are simply the girls I fancy the most for a bunch of reasons I'll never understand.

Look at that totally average 18 year old slag Camarda thinks is ultimate! If they were my 10s, I'd be banging 10s weekly.

What's this assumption that 10s are banging all the time too? Again, not a subset. I know 10s who hardly ever get laid and, when they do, it isn't with some buff kid. Because they are just girls I fancy the most, not anything else ties them together. (E.g. They'll probably be tall, but not necessarily. Might have short hair but hair can be cut and I am a visionary. Etc.)


The only constant in Legend's scenarios that has changed is how hot he thinks the girl is, i.e. his level of desire, this will affect everything about Legend's behaviour. That is a fact. A fact within Legend's control. A pragmatic answer that enables change.

Your answer is based on your personal prejudice, just as Legend's difficulty is based on his personal prejudice. Piling your prejudices on top of Legend's prejudices, is compounding the problem.


"A 7 this and a 10 that" is an unreal conversation.

Also, you live in Liverpool where everyone is shallow as fuck and all your birds are minging and fake. You'll not be pulling my 10s anytime soon, just like I won't be pulling your 10s anytime soon.


Peace,

kowalski


ye orite, u are spot on here, when i say 10s im talkin about model types, such as he mentioned from liverpool.

liverpool is so narcissistic, hedonistic & pretty much the shallowest place in the uk. so my judgement in this cas is warrented, then again i cant argue with ur post its spot on.

i do however think legends judgement of 10s in this case is based on looks... if this is not the case then i concede.

but ye nice post k

legend 25-06-2011 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chops147 (Post 49911)
just for the record I always thought legend was fucking tens regular.

let this be a lesson to all you chodes it always seems like everyone else is having a big party wen you're not, but this simply isn't true.

It is all about personal preference.

In the last few days, I start seeing one of the HB10s I mentioned. I PREFER a short blonde hair, big tits, nice arse, size 8, shorter than me, great personality, love to chat etc. And this girl Gael, is everything "short blonde hair, nice Double F tits, Size 8, 5' 4", nice arse, 32 years old, I'm 41. That's my big party! As I said it is a matter of preference, so good luck with your big party dude!

legend 25-06-2011 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil (Post 49941)
ye orite, u are spot on here, when i say 10s im talkin about model types, such as he mentioned from liverpool.

liverpool is so narcissistic, hedonistic & pretty much the shallowest place in the uk. so my judgement in this cas is warrented, then again i cant argue with ur post its spot on.

i do however think legends judgement of 10s in this case is based on looks... if this is not the case then i concede.

but ye nice post k

Of course it is based on looks but based on my personal preference which I am sure it isnt a million miles away from most of the forum members and people around me! But Im lost in all the arguments and counter arguments. Will have to sit down and re read all the posts again when I am have a mo. But Im seeing my HB10, will see how far it goes...!

Refl3x 26-06-2011 05:41 PM

Just a couple of things i`ll pipe in with to follow the general tangent the post went off on

I am certain on many occasions girls i have fucked have purely done it because of how i look and had no interest in me or what came out of my mouth.

I had a nurse do a 4 hour drive on friday- id never spoke to her on the phone, we had only ever txted rude shit to each other., i opened my front door- dragged her in and within 15 seconds i had picked her up and was fucking her against my wall, ive done stuff like this loads of times.
these girls couldnt give a flying fuck about me and are only in it because of how i look, my ability to txt like i write porn novels and my ace cock.

Ive escalated girls like this not just from the internet

and these girls range from what i would call 5`s to 9.8s - they are all game!
all they are attracted is by the fit body, which primally broadcasts that i am a worth a fuck to carry on their genes.

I know personally that when i am in good shape and showing it off i get more IOIs when im out by a long way than if i look like shit and wear a baggy shirt.

obviously its not the be all and end all - i just see it as a powerful tool that can be used around girls, along with other tools, like confidence, banter blah blah
Ive spoken to girls before who will say--yeah im just shagging him for his looks, hate his personality and tell him to shut up if he talks (thats not me BTW!!!)

Refl3x 26-06-2011 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kowalski (Post 50014)
If you can handle being for others, that is.


Peace,

kowalski

Not any more K no, at the start it was a novelty but now ive taken on how girls feel which is used and empty

im looking for a relationship now -- but i do still on the odd occasion do somthing stupid

Refl3x 26-06-2011 10:27 PM

ahh ohhh

First and formost i train for myself K, the women bit is just a plus
the psychological makeup goes somthing like this.
bullied at school, picked last for everything... i decided to change that and never be a victim again- that was what got me into weight training


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