Hi Guys,

I have been going out and not drinking at all (really enjoying that as well) and using openers on girls. Mostly at the moment, im approaching 3's and 4's as I don't care what they say or if I get something wrong, they are good practice..

Im finding that after discussing the opener, I don't know what to say next.. Considering I just approached her randomly at a bar (or someplace else), after we have exhausted all possible discussion topics regarding whatever I opened with, I get a bit nervous and then just say thanks for your opinion and walk away. This is obviously not good enough!

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!!!

Cheers
Sporadic

the only openers you need are your hands to open legs!

Sigh.

The opener does not matter - being friendly, likeable and easy to talk to do.

"Hi."

The only opener you need.

What it sounds like you're failing at is understanding conversation and how to advance it, in everything people say to you other than in the simplest of "yes or no" responses you have many choices and directions to take things.

Read my post on conversation, it's in my sig. I think it'll help you here. Instead of thinking about what to say next in some sort of planned manner you need to be playing off what she says to you by using whatever cues she gives you in her response. This is how real conversations work.

Jay I read that Conversation thread, and thought it was an awesome post... And something has just dawned on me.. Its almost as if, Men just don't bother truly LISTENING to what the girl is saying. Instead, we focus on what to say to them. But a lot of us don't actually listen to every word she says. If we did, we could use those cues as you mentioned and bounce the conversation some more!

This shouldnt have been the case but it will come with more field experience. It is very important to be an interesting person and you can have loads of things to talk about then. Discussion topics should be non-exhaustive. For example, when you hanging out with your mates, Im sure you will never run out of things to say. Same principles with talking to chicks, Im sure you can talk about anything especially intresting facts about you or pick up stuffs from her answer and elaborate on these...! Good luck!

Ok first of all it really really dose not matter what you say as long as you say it with excitement and joy, talk about salad if you want just talk about it with exexcitement and joy. By the time you walk away she would of forgotten everything you said but remembered how you came across and how she FELT around you.

my sticking point is having no balls and no penis

Alright Mate

Have you looked into cold reading. That’s usually pretty good straight after an opener. It’s just an assumption you make based on their appearance which could be true. A simple one is 'I'm guessing she’s the bad one in the group.' You can come up with these from the top of your head. This can also be something about what she is wearing eg when I was out last week lots of women in town went Take That so had handbags. So I commented on the size of these after the opener eg Got a gun/head / Wallets from everyone in the bar in there.

I’ve only been trying game out in clubs a few weeks and 1st couple of times I would fail after the opener because of the delivery. What has worked for me recently is after I open put my hand on the targets arm or back lightly and say to her friends in a playful way smiling something along the lines of ‘I take it/guess your friend is XYZ’ and try and disqualify because of your assumption. Another good thing to say ‘ I can only stay for a second but you guys look XYZ, how do you know each other ??’ Their answers going to be either school, uni work etc which gives you new conversation threads and a chance to share your experiences.

Hope this helps

Cheers

You're a fag too.

The problem with canned openers is that they establish a fake conversation, which then has to be transitioned to a real one at some point. Opinion openers can die horribly unless you are genuinely interested in the subject.