Here’s the story;

Met a HB 9 about mid march during the day time, who is a model and was a hired gun at an event. I got her card and told her that I did a bit of fashion photography just as a hobby and often turned work down because of lack of time. We clicked a bit but there was not much time to develop rapport.

I emailed her a few times and got replies back. We tried to arrange to meet a few times but did not. She then told me to text her instead as she does not always have instant internet access.

I texted a few sometimes but not very often, and kept suggesting that we meet up for a coffee sometime.
Then some time went by without me texting and I sent her the following 2 messages on Friday:

Message 1
ME: Hi, I just heard that your kidnappers released you. How are you enjoying your freedom again?

Message 2
ME: Sorry about the last message it was sent to you by mistake. Hope everything is well.

I then get an almost instant reply, saying
HB9 “john am I seeing you tomorrow?”

ME “???” (my name is not John)

HB9 "No worries, hope that your friend is ok"

ME: “She flies back to London today so I will be meeting up with her tonight. Let me know when you are free to meet up for a coffee sometime.”

I then get a call from her asking who I was because she did not recognise the number. I could not talk so I just kept saying hello and claimed that it was a bad line and then hung up.
Sent her an email saying:

Hi HB9
I think you tried to phone me today but I was in a low signal area.

Apologies for the text sent by mistake. It must have seemed a little strange to you. Any how, I have to run and meet up with my friend who flew back to London today.

Let me know when you are free to meet up for coffee, it has been a while since the ******* *******. My diary is quite full but I have a few slots that I can rearrange for you.

All the best

Finally, I get a text message sent in the middle of the night saying:
HB9 “ please stop texting me. Your last messages really freaked me out.”

I telephoned the next day around lunch to explain but left a message on the voice mail saying.

Sorry about messages and explained how we met a few months ago and that we had emailed a few times.

Advice required:
What do I do next?
Is this one now a dead duck?
What could / should I have done differently?

Bare in mind that she is a HB 9 AND a model so there is no shortage of offers. It also appears that my number has been deleted from her phone!



My game in the past has been with 5 - 8.5s with limited success.

So another question, do I need to change my game for HB 9 & 10s?

Thanks for any pointers and advice fellow PUAs and especially MPUAs can offer.

Avon.

Jaz,

Thanks for your advice. As much as I hate to admit it, I know you are right.

I think this one is dead in the water for all the reasons you gave. "She doesn't even know who I am anymore".......

I have always wanted to f-close with a model, it is just one of the things that I want to do in my life. No intensions of a making her a LTR.

What do the others around here think?

Thanks for your candid words K.

Let me tell you a bit about myself so that you can advise me.

I do a bit of photography, not much but know enough to be able to hold my own. it is just a hobby though.

Regarding lieing, what about "fake it till you make it"?

in terms of PU experience let me give you a bit of history about myself. I did PU for several years without really knowing what I was doing. most of my successes were just luck I suppose and the sheer fact that I kept going and going.

I have absolutely no probs initiating and engaging in conversation with both men and women. I come across as the fun sociable guy.

My success ranged from a few (not very many at all) day game lays on perhaps d2 or d3,4,5. I was and still am no good at night club or bar game. In all the years I went to Nigh clubs I maybe had a handfull of lays, that is not veyr many considering the time spent.

Been in a LTR for several years and now got into PU in the last few months. read about Gambler and all the other MPUAs out there.

In terms of my current level I would say that I am slightly or a 1/4 way up from AFC to MPUA. I do not suffer much AA and can engage in conversation most of the time. I can n-close or @-close solidly about 80-85% of the time.

The problem is to then turn these n-closes to full f-closes.


To give some numbers, out of 100 women I approach and start a converstion with:

n or @ close - 95
arrange d2 - 85
escalate from d2 to f close 5 - 10

I agree mate that I am doing something all wrong and I am thankful to you for pointing this out to me.

I have managed to f close on d2 a few times but not a lot. I also tend to target 5-8.5s. I can not say I have had much success with HB 9 or 10s, I might n-close but just can not go the distance.

I have downloaded swingcats book and will read through that. I have also read Dave DeAngelos e book and watched some of Gambler's videos as well as a lot of the other material out there.

now that I have got into the PUA community, the stuff I have learnt has resulted in a lot more n-closes and @ closes but I have not been doing it in this structured PUA way for very long, only a few months really.

Mate I am willing to learn and admit that I am not really a skilled PUA. I want to be able to f-close at will. I also see that a lot of the skills required for this are other general life skills.

Hope that helps to know a bit more about me so that you can point me in the right direction.

hey K,

just a quick point, just read swingcat's book. It provides a great way of looking at the game. There is certainly some useful info in there.

I have managed to f close on d2 a couple of times and thinking back to those times I felt very very sure of myself. Infact on the 2nd occasion I was even accused of being a player. This was as we booked into a hotel and the guy there said that I had been there before. (The guy clearly did not know the meaning of the word discretion.) I acted as though it was nothing and continued on with my mission of f-closing.

On another time, the girl actually wanted me and made the moves. She said that she had just missed the last train home and that we would have to go to an all night bar. In the end we ended up at my place and you can guess the rest.

So I do have some skills but at the moment my ratio of success is rather low. Recently I have also been getting a few non solid n/@ closes that fizzle out to nothing.

I want to get more solid closes in the first place.

In the last few weeks I have had some complete fake numbers and emails. Annoying.