Vaccination
 

Jaz asked in the shoutbox, 'who's getting the vax', but I think it would be a better-situated conversation here.

I'll start.

I don't want one. I'm genuinely not comfortable having this thing injected into me. I appreciate medical professionals attempting to reassure those of us who are hesitant, but your explanations don't make me any more comfortable.

Anyone I know who's had it was absolutely drained for days afterward. I'm not going to voluntarily do that to myself. And then there's the blood clot malarkey. Then you have to get a second dose. And then the next thing you know, it will be is yearly shots. And people will take them because they've already committed themselves to the procedure.

I saw a lady comment on a post a while back, that "Josef Mengele would be proud" and it made me laugh hard.

Couple that with the societal pressure that's rapidly increasing, with the more people who get it, and I'm even less likely to take it. It's like, "nobody cares about your concerns, just shut up and take it". Well, no. Fuck you.

I often bang on about much literature I read, based around the topics of Totalitarianism, Authoritarianism, Dictatorial rule, and all that. That's why all this shit, as a lived experience, is fucking mind-blowing to me, because for the last year, most of the planet has been living under varying levels of Authoritarian rule. At the start, when the whole world had been shut down within the space of about three weeks, I had a massive panic attack one evening, lasting about three hours. It scared the shit out of me how fast the whole world was placed under control.

I'm not trying to make this some sort of conspiracy conversation, just pointing out my thoughts and fears of how easy it is to have practically everyone shitting themselves and following orders.

The other day, my new manager and a few others were having a discussion about when they were due to get their second dose. He turns to me and goes "have you had your vaccine yet", and I said, "no, I haven't been contacted about it". It irritated me how it was said so assumptively as if it's just a given that everyone is going to want it and to get it.

Even more interestingly, however, is that I felt pressure not to outright say that I wasn't getting it, but instead that I hadn't been called on. This, I see as, a subtle example of the pressure the unvaccinated minority is going to be facing. Of course, he's my manager, so I had to tread carefully for obvious reasons. It's not like I can just say fuck off, as I would to a lot of other people.

Anyways, I'm not comfortable getting it, and based on my keen interest in the topics listed above, I'm very much determined to experience for myself, exactly how things play out for people who don't get it.


Over to you, people. Who's getting it? Who's not? Why? etc.

I think comparing the vaccine to Mengele is pretty fucking gross tbh.

A lot of what you're saying here is very vague. What specifically do you think the big authoritarian plan is here?

I never said there was a big authoritarian plan, I'm just pointing out how frighteningly authoritarian everything has been for the last year, and how it all pretty much happened overnight.

Obviously, there was "justification" for much of it, due to a virus flying around, but it's just astonishing, the mass obedience to authority at the click of a finger.

If it's justified then it's not just obedience to authority. Are traffic laws just mass obedience to authoritarianism?

That we have to wear masks in the street is not justified. However, I’m not at all surprised that everyone I see except me does it. That’s how it is always in life. I used to explain to everyone in the UK how they could very simply never pay for gas and electricity, no one ever did it except me. That’s useful. There are loopholes that innovative people can take advantage of and they don’t quickly become a huge problem that gets addressed by the relevant powers because most people won’t do it for various motives.

And there is no need for a vaccine, it’s not justified either. Rapid testing available for the public to purchase would have got rid of this cheaply and within a few months but no nation allowed that. It is not clear why and there’s no point speculating on that.

In general, I’m ok with the obedience and predictability of others.



No. I’m not taking it.

I currently am not afraid of coronavirus and am willing to take my chances with it. I’m early 40s. I am healthy (regular intense exercise, nutrient rich clean whole food diet, I supplement and get blood tests, i don’t smoke or drink alcohol, I have no known co morbidity stuffs). I live alone, work from home, only socialise outdoors and in general only go inside a building that isn’t my flat when it is unavoidable to do so. I didn’t get it while it was at its most widespread and the risk is now reducing and approaching a practical 0, for people who live like I am loving it is already a 0. There are many more things that are far more risky that I don’t inoculate myself against in life, this is a new one for the list. Yo, if everyone lived like me we could have eradicated this and a bunch of other diseases over the last 18 months.

Furthermore, I can just let everyone else take it (see above). That’s the whole point of living in societies, they afford advantages to the individuals, we wouldn’t live in them otherwise.

The same goes for traffic laws. Everyone, myself included, breaks traffic laws. For example, I almost never stop at traffic lights while skating, that would in fact be more dangerous. That was a really poor analogy. We break them sometimes, maybe we are in a rush. We tend to break them safely because we break them relying on the fact that the majority of the time people obey them. So the behaviour of the others is predictable enough for one to break the rules safely. I can cross the red light because I can predict with aceptable accuracy what everyone else will do and also I am attentive to anyone who does anything outside of that.

This is fundamental. It is how even language functions. We all tell the truth the vast majority of the time. Even when we lie most of what we say is true. If you lie about what you did yesterday probably the people and places and physics of the situation are all real. It had to be this way or language wouldn’t function. We all implicitly agree to tell the truth most of the time. It’s an essential element of radical interpretation. And, language works. However, it also means that lying works.

If you take it then I’m my view you are an idiot. And I’m very thankful that most people are idiots. They will take it so I don’t have to. For my part I do other idiot stuff in the view of others and they take advantage of that. And that’s a huge factor in why there are societies.


Peace,

kowalski

Well that's pretty much what I meant. Mask wearing and social distancing is treated in the same way by most people, and some authoritarian gestapo aren't generally bringing the boot down on those who don't wear masks or social distance in a context where it isn't important.

My point isn't necessarily that everyone should have the vaccine, but that being anti-vaccine because you're afraid we're entering George Orwin 1987 Animal Crossing isn't much better than outright conspiracy theory stuff

There are, actually, hundreds if not thousands of videos circulating the web of extremely over-the-top actions taken by, but not limited to, police and people in authority. If you haven't seen any such footage over the last 14 months you must have been living out in the woods.

Here's a clip of the libertarian MP who had to approve the bill for the first UK lockdown. Even he calls it, Dystopian..

https://youtu.be/V4OCENbZ2zI

And just to add another point to the authoritarianism of the last year, is the rapid introduction of extremely restrictive laws and legislation. If that shit isn't worrying to people, then I wish I lived in the same blissful bubble.

I dunno, maybe I'm actually excited because I love the topic of Tyranny and all of this will make for an interesting research paper.

It's such a divisive topic. People on both sides are looking at the other with distain. For me, I'm still on the fence. I've got several friends that worked in hospitals that were overrun at the peaks of the pandemic. 40 bed units turned into 120 with the same staff working, had there been no lockdown then its undeniable that many, many more fat and old people would have died. Hard to call that 'no big deal'. At the same time, perhaps a larger net negative effect of lockdown with the ruining of businesses and mental health/other ailments.

No one can deny that the vaccine bypassed normal safety procedures... or that its currently very effective with minimal side effects (even though I don't want to get sick for just 1 or 2 days unnecessarily!!

The deciding factor, unfortunately, will be how much it affects freedoms. I'll fully protest if it does, but get it because I've got a long-ass bucket list of cool shit that's getting fucked with enough already KMT.

It's mad how much division the vaccine topic has created. You say you simply don't want to have this substance injected into your body and some people automatically think you're a crazy tinfoil hat weirdo.

You're basically damned if you do and damned if you don't. Damned if you do because, you don't want the vaccine, and by getting it, you're giving in, handing away control of your choices. And damned if you don't because then you're somehow an inconsiderate granny killer (by doing literally nothing).

What about concerns for my own health? Shut up, you're not allowed to be concerned for yourself.

I too shat myself at the start. I live in Belfast city center and to see my usually packed street completely empty on a Saturday night was so fucking eerie. I was thinking all sorts of shit. We never knew what this virus was going to do, just that it was apparently making its way across the world and people were dying. I thought this was going to be some sort of modern-day worldwide Holocaust, where only the fittest survived.

I'm definitely going to turn away from any vaccine invite. I haven't had the "letter" yet but it's going in the bin when it does. I'm interested to know just how far this will go. But I'm willing to face persecution, ostracization, and segregation, just for being a healthy man who refuses an injection.

I'm not joking, if it ever came to a point where it was enforced like you can't leave your home without having it or some extreme shit like that, I've imagined me doing a Facebook live of me shooting heroin in protest outside our local government headquarters. With the message being, I'm literally more comfortable shooting heroin.

Sounds a bit ridiculous I know, but I'm mad enough to do it

you not need to lie. just dont answer matters of personal life. also if u cant afford that, i guess i can safely assume whos the master & the slave.
MMP is all about boundary strength.