We've all been there, we're in the club with our friends having a great time, the rounds are coming in thick and fast and you are well on the way to that happy place we know as being drunk.

You see a hot girl (portrayed even hotter thanks to your beer goggles) and your primitive instincts kick in. No approach anxiety, no techniques or routines necessary, just flowing pick up, escalation, and close.

However, there is no consistency. Being too drunk has been the downfall of many attempted pick ups.. it's difficult to be attractive with glazed eyes and slurred words.

So i've had some really successful pick ups whilst being heavily intoxicated, but I don't want this at the cost of my liver and brain cells.

But how can i release this alter ego that gets me the girl I want without alcohol being the trigger??

Because let's face it, when I wake up and sober up the next day, i'm not the same alpha attractive guy she met last night. I'm £30/40 out of pocket, hungover and eagerly awaiting our next meet (already, i know..sad).

So out of interest, drinking..
Drink as much as you want, in moderation, or not at all?

Also.. I need to put my sub conscious voice on mute, or my self esteem and ego will both continue to suffer.

What are your methods for boosting confidence and removing negative thoughts?

Pulling a girl whilst drunk doesn't count? Rubbish! I may meet them drunk, but (usually) sober at some point in the interaction (day 2 or sex).

Saying that, this is a subject that is close to my heart at the moment. My main sticking point is 'Am I actually getting good at chatting up girls?' Let me explain. When ever I go out, I drink. Even though I'm not shit faced, I do have a bit more dutch courage. The AA that I experience when I go out sober is complete gone when I have a few. For example, if I'm out in a day and I see a girl I want to chat to, I more than often choke. But if I'm out at night in a club after couple of drinks, sets just smash open! Also, I think less and I'm more relaxed. This maybe down to I'm more practice but most likely down to having a few beers inside me.

I've been thinking to try a bit sober approaching. There will be times where I will see a girl I want to chat to and I won't have drink as a crutch. Maybe this is just day game right?

For me 'PUA' is about getting the confidence to chat to any girl in any situation. Overall drink does make things easier. Taking it out the equation will see how go your chatting up skills are.

I agree that if youre confident and relaxed, people will think youre drunk perhaps. one girl I cold approached thought i was stoned. Generally its pretty hard to fit into a club if ur the only sober person and if the girls are drinking its actually just levelling the playing field to have a small booze otherwise its hard to relate to what theyre doing when they are mainly wandering around laughing half comatose.

you know whats cheating - if you're going out there, chatting up and taking home some drunk girl and you're sober.

so let me get this straight... pulling a girl when your drunk is cheating...

BUT....

Reading up on, sharing information on, using psychological methods and pre planned routines, having friends distract people, hypnosis & other linguistics... even props??

this is fine??? who the fuck decides on these rules, and who is daft enuf to follow

I've done a few sober nights of game thanks to my poverty. It's hard. But it's definitely something everybody should do once every now and then to push themselves.

Then again, I love drinking and when I go out I'm primarily out to have a good time. Sarging is second.

I enjoy a few drinks as well but as far as ranking if sarging or having good time comes first... Let's just say these are absolutely not mutually exclusive


A few years ago, my flatmate and I each bought a week-end pass for the Amsterdam Dance Event. For 15EUR only we got a bracelet that granted us access to any club in town for three days. Good deal.

We had a blast for two consecutive nights, I spent money like a drunken sailor and by saturday I had spent every cent on my account. I wasnt getting paid until the following monday.

The ATM bluntly informing me that I couldnt withdraw any more cash didnt stop me from enjoying one of the best hour of my life. That bracelet around my wrist was so tight I swear my hand was turning blue but at least I could still enjoy a night-out.

My flatmate bailed out as he was recovering from a hangover deluxe.

I put on a old Mickey Mouse shirt and a pair of sneakers. I headed alone for one of the poshest place in town. The crowd was Armani clad but I didnt let that stop me either. Although to be fair, I had a moment of doubt when after going round the dancefloor once or twice it became obvious that I came there alone.

What would be your natural impulse under the circumstances?

That's right: head to the bar and get a drink so at least you have something in your hands.

So I did that.

She smiled and came back with the most impressive glass of tap water ever served in a night club.

Needless to say I was in the zone after this.

So I chatted with a few girls got their number and then went back to the bar to thank her and invite her for a proper drink to return the favor.


I didn't have a penny in my pockets
I was completely sober (except maybe for adrenaline and dopamine)
I was underdressed.
I had no social proof whatsoever.

Yet, it would be a gross understatement to merely say that I made something out of the hour I spent in the club.

- I got a date with the busty barmaid and made out with her the following week.
- I met an amazing girl that became my LTR (and even fiancee)
- I also arranged a date with another awesome and pretty girl I dated briefly before going exclusive with the other one. When I became single again I met her by chance and we hit it off again.

That's a hot date and two LTR for 1 hour in a club and zero money spent.
Good ratio wouldnt you say?

Moral of the story: a fun, outgoing and confident attitude is my most valued possession, booze is nice but not essential.

I enjoyed reading it

That's surely one thing you learn with Day Game: How to have game sober.

OK guys I wanna flip this alcohol debate to the other side - trying to get an f-close with a new bird who u haven't fucked b4 and who isn't drinking!

Whether or not u drink isn't the focus on this new debate - instead, SHE isn't drinking!

So, she's tee-total, or she cannot drink because of medication, or ironically because she says she was so plastered last night. In rare occasions over the years that I've been faced with a sober or near-sober woman throughout a Day 2, things are much less sexually escalated than usual as I cannot clearly so calibrate her. I'm obviously not the first man to look to up sexual escalation as we the couple - together - up the alcohol intake. This doesn't mean getting pissed, but certainly not being sober. You need to feel that SHE'S sexually reciprocal despite she's sober and never fucked u. This is only about this scenario... eg if u have already fucked the bird then u already know that she's into shagging u.

What do u think?