hey guys, i can see this site is very active, i'm sure this opener has been used before. "hey guys, i can only stay a sec cause i have to get back to my friends, but i want a quick female opinion, my friend bobby has just broke up with his g/f, how long do you think its acceptable until he start dating one of her friends."



let me just say i appraoched about 10 sets, and didnt get great responce with this. then i usually go into. "hey guys i read an article the other day, did you know that 93% of women masturbate in the shower and the other 7% sing. do you know what they sing (they say no) o... you must be the other 93% the."



lets just say that lil joke should be called blow out material i think its extremly funny, and i've seen it work, it must just be the way im saying it for sure.



however i started just saying hi to girls with very good vibe. i had a geniune smile when i did this and was amazed. maybe my canned material doesnt work in high energy clubs? im a bit baffled by it. i thought it might just be good to come up with cnf openers and have fun. and i know that body language and voice tone are the main things. so saying a cnf opener like, "excuse me, i know you like me, but please dont make it look so obvious." or "hi i appreciate the interest, but please stop undressing me with your eyes."



what you think guys? really appreciate feedback



thanx guys

The opener matters extremely little, and your delivery is way more important than the words. I would keep practicing and you'll see what works for you, and what does not.

My most used opener in the beginning was, I'm new to the area, what bars would you guys recommend? Then I'd usually get an answer each time, and follow up by asking them where they are going, and finally if they going somewhere else than they recommend bust on them for sending you to a shit bar

thanks for the quick reply loke, appreciate it.
so you would go to situational openers then ? it does seem more natural and not scripted. i found that in high energy clubs they can hardly hear my openers and im pretty much screaming it at them lol. so delivery goes way out the window. what would you recommend saying in high energy club?

i was talking to my buddy and thinking of listing all the attractions switches and coming up with quick ways to flip them. then once you think you've flipped them cnf lines these would be. go onto another girl and then flip them with her.

i know its all about delivery, but if you could give me a bit more detail about the delivery. e.g. i dont know if this is right nemore, but tyler durden used to say his opener over the shoulder, then turn back to his friends, then say another part of his opener over the shoulder again.

if you could give me a few delivery points that would be sound. thanks for your help loke, appreciate it

I would avoid using opinion openers on anything to do with jealous GF, ex's, splitting up etc. I used to use those kind of openers a while back and I mostly received negative responses. Probably because it invoked some bad feeling of being cheated etc. in the girl, and it must have come across as pretty fake.

I find that opinion openers on a night out generally aren't effective - people think you're taking a survey. As you alluded to, you can't say some long winded opener in a night club because of the loud music, just not possible. Situational/direct openers are the best in clubs, but again, because of the music, you have to approach them and go right up to their ear and say what you want to say to them. But I'm not the best person to give advice on this as my night club game is shit at the mo. I'm sure there are far more qualified people on here who can offer better advise.

I have stopped gaming clubs a long time ago Pua123, I go to bars where I can talk. My strongest game is always in conversation. In clubs dance game is probably your best bet, or try to bounce a girl somewhere more quiet, smoking area should be good as well for opening.

I think using canned material is fine as long as it's to practice, but you should aim towards not having to rely on canned. My success rate took a dip when i stopped using canned and went natural, but it quickly turned around and my success rate got very good

Also in club game, you might want to go direct, sexual and escalate quickly as you don't really have the time to talk much. Use eye contact, body language and just escalate physically very quickly.

wow thanks guys. some really great information there
i like what you said loke about escalating quickly kino'ing quickly in the loud clubs. i will definately try that in a couple of days.

i tell you something. maybe im over analysing, but i would find it hard to go natural with a woman because im quite sure i would run out of things to say.
obviously you dont want to be like ne other guy in the club. you want to be different. so how about going around with your wing throwing cnf comments out there then back to your wing. make sure your having fun

maybe flipping attraction switches like leadership, confidence, preselection. i know most comes over on your vibe. but with like 10 sec stories with these qualities in them then start talking to your wing again.

once you get these short stories in and cnf her. you will be able to talk to her longer because her switches would be flipped right.

what do you think about this for opening in a loudish club. say we are talking about the bouncers. "hey guys i love the bouncers here, they are soo friendly and happy and talk to everyone"
then back off. "my g/f kept going on and on about this club. i must admit i love the vibe here it really puts me in such an exciting mood."
then back off.
wow i've just noticed you blink alot. but thats ok everyone gets nervous once in a while.

i've noticed making accusations about her friendly ones. teasing her really gets them in like a playful mood.

i really think i just need to disqualify myself more until she wants me. well im new at this so im gonna field test this stuff thanks for listen to what i had to say above guys, bit long winded i know :P

ne thoughts or suggestions would be great. thanks guys appreciate it
then try and transition about her you know.

as loke said, openers dont really matter. the key to the delivery is to show confidence, especially correct body language. a quick google will get you everything you need to know about body language

why not try walkin up to a girl and askin her the same question...

when she says whats a canned opener... explain its a pre determined question to get a girls attention

then when she gives her view VOILA ur in convo... u guys dont half make shit hard for yourselves

Loke is smack on i reckon.

Use whatever you want to use at the time, canned or not canned. The eye contact and mood you project is most of it.

All i tend to think when im on is: Talk-Tease-Touch

Will be trying this