Still struggling trying to figure this one out. Some women show loads of IOIs and even let you take them out on a date, but then they drop the bombshell at the end of the evening eventhough you both had a great time or so I thought. It happened to me 4 times now.

Now will it happen for the fifth time tomorrow night? Im going out to see Cole Page (The King of Swing ) in Manchester's Opera House tomorrow night with a work colleague. She is 25, a super HB10 from Venezuela, really hot. And such a nice nice girl too. We always chat, and she has always been friendly with everyone. But of all the guys there, she is probably the friendliest with me and we spend more time talking about anything and everything.

I know a few guys at work have asked her out but she has always come up with different excuses. Find out that she likes the same kind of music as I am and it just happens this concert is on, so I was quite chuffed that she said yes when I asked if she would like to go. Now, am I reading too much into this? Did she say yes because we are friendly with each other? Is this a friend zone as its best? Is it because she enjoys my company? I hate for tomorrow night to end up like when we start, just on friendly terms without me making any progress with her.

One of the guys at work keeps saying she will flake tomorrow, so we will see...!

Any thoughts?

Any sort of kino been going on thus far? If not maybe initiate some on the date and see how she responds and then escalate if its going well!

I'm not that experienced, but I would start immediately with light kino and a lot of laughing/fun to provide the cover/reason/natural feeling for it.

I'd also follow the mystery method as far as A1, A2, A3, C1 (without negs etc unless really needed because a good guy doesn't usually need to insult a girl.)

My base is strongest in social circles and that's where most of my lays have come from. This is a bit like social circle work. A date or day two usually dispenses with opening (A1) and often A2 and moves straight into A2/A3 (I think, contrary to strict M3 Model, they overlap a little). This means that you just simply be nice without showing undue interest (again, a little interest in this scenario is ok and you won't lose value as long as it is moderate. After all you already asked her out which displays a lot of interest already.)

You probably already have attraction and due to the scenario, you will have moderate IOI's (she doesn't need to push it. You already showed interest)

Look for the IOI's (if there are not any, maybe you are already in LJBF zone) and move straight to to A3. Qualify her and then show IOI's back. Be careful to use Kino from as early as you can easily get away with it and not escalate suddenly. You have all night. 35 minutes of escalation is just as good as 5 minutes, but without the urgency and risk.

So basically, if you follow the rules - deveolop attraction first (You can read sexual tension here), watch for IOI's and try to qualify your attraction back at her and only when she is qualified, IOI or SOI and move into comfort, all the while using push/pull for kino,gradually escalating it, you should be able to escalate it physically regardless of the situation that you started the date with.

If you are already in the friend zone, it will become obvious rather quickly and you can switch to building friendship and use her as social proof/ preselection in the future.

This is not the end of the world however. If a girl in your social circle sees you as a friend, you can always leave her a few weeks/months (you choose what is appropriate) and then re-meet her and be a bit of a different man and start attraction from A1/A2 again. All is not lost. However, if it was me, I would avoid the one-itis and find other girls, but that is just me I guess.

That was a lot to type. I was trying to say, whether you are in the friend zone or not, you can dictate the frame and take her out of that zone if she is interested (or even create interest by flipping attraction switches). This is the only area of game I am experienced in and I have 'converted' several work-friends into sexual interests. If you want her, and play the game well, there is little she will do to prevent you from getting close. ASD an LMR are your problem, but you should be able to easily get close enough to experience them.

Thanks for the replies chaps. I think K-Dog is right. After being in the community for some times now, I kinda know what to do and what not to do. I guess I was just asking for the "magic" reply to to avoid history repeating itself.

Anyway, went out last night. Had a brilliant time and a laugh. The whole night was awesome. Had a short kiss at the end when I dropped her home...! Result! Small progress but it is definitely in the right direction. Would have liked an f-close BUT she is definitely a girlfriend material so Im gonna take this one step at a time and see where it leads to. I guess when you been around for a while and has a good few lays along the way, MAYBE it is time to think of a having a relationship especially when you meet the right kinda girl. Will have to see, time will tell..!

Of course she does....she kinda knows most of the guys in the office wants to fuck her..!

Today, I asked her if she wants to come out this Friday and she said YES!! Get in...!!

Looks like you lead this one pretty well, i have learnt a valuble lesson from this. Nice one.

Yes!!!!!