Does height, weight and or looks contribute to success?
 

Well, does it? If your not half bad looking, slim but 5'2 who has awesome game hinder your chances compared to a guy thats 6'0, good looking and buff who has mediocre game?

I mean I'm 5'6, I'm a lil chubby but consider myself not a bad looking guy. But i feel my weight effects my game. Maybe because of my inner thoughts thinking to much. But still it does.

In your guys experience...Do you think that looks play a important part in how easy game is. Or is it all about your inner game and how good you are, not how good you look?

i thing 6 foot buff an decent game has ALOT more chance with any girl than a bad lookin shit hot gamer...

personally think infatuation cannot be broken by game

(and if ur chubby, instead of takin 5 mins to post stuff like this... do some pushups, keep doin them until ur not chubby)

spend less time complainin and more time bettering

Cheers for the heads up Phil in what i need to do in order to lose my fat but I wasn't asking for a personal trainer, thanks.

Ok then... ill rephrase

Yeah looks are VERY important ... its as easy as the gym 2 times a week

What is this gym you speak of...I only know how to type and eat!

look Enigma its clear to see ur gettin a little offended... i dont know u from adam

its just if i have a complaint about myself i just sort it... so rather than having sumone beat around the bush and tell u how PICK UP IS MAGICAL im tellin u ... go the gym if u think ur chubby... its is THAT simple...

u can spend day and night listenin to the shit msytery an style pump out but at the end of the day, if a girl finds u unnatractive, the chance of her giving u rapport is slim

make life easy... dont take it to heart....

I do understand where your coming from. And I am doing something about my weight, but that doesnt happen over night...

I were just curious into the fact that whether looks play a big part in pick up. As you mentioned. Mystery and Styles belief is that attraction can be made either way. So, i feel asking a forum of people that play the game woul get some better insight than a book.

Dont be a dick, Phil.

I think how you look can set up obstacles and obviously if you look like you don't take care of yourself gaining attraction will be harder. It's about being your best self.

I've seen successful guys who weren't conventionally good looking.

As long as you're not a complete swamp donkey I don't think it really matters. I have a friend who is 6 foot tall by 6 foot wide and average looking but still manages to pull hot girls. He has great natural game.

Honestly I think most girls are so wrapped up in the way they look and their feelings that as long as you go in with high energy and make them feel good you can be on to a winner.

I don't worry about how I look anymore as long as I'm fairly well groomed. Some days I have more luck in jeans and a t-shirt than when I'm suited and booted.

Confidence and social status are attractive. I know that I can't improve my looks without spending some serious money and going through serious amounts of pain. I can be confident and have energy.

Why worry about something you can't change?There is a famous quote that says "God give me the strength to accept the things that i can't change, the courage to change the things i can and the wisdom to know the difference."

I think that is they key thing to remember.

Hope this is useful.

Rock n roll

i dont know... i went up 2 14.5 stone 3 month ago... im now at like 13.5... just do this

ALL FOOD U BUY BUY LOW FAT VERSION(i know this sound daft) just look on the back an cut ur fats down

Go the gym fo 20 mins do some light excercise 2 or 3 time a week .. for 3 weeks then eventually ur body will LIKE the euphoria.. so u learn to enjoy the training and ur training increases

Thats is.. oh and a tablet called INFERNO (legal) Shit hot.. havent done them this time tho...

once u look good u feel good you pick up good...

Looks only matter if you believe they do, although I'm not particularly bad looking so I can't give a 1st hand account of whether this is actually true. Though there are plenty of examples, check out sean stephens, a two foot disabled guy who gets more poon than me apparently. Mick Jagger, Bruce Forsyth, Woodie Allan, Chris Evans, although these are all successful people I can bet you that they got to a point in their lives where they stopped giving a fuck about being unnatractive.

Enigma thanks you for you implying these are in his category :)

to be fair these guys are famous... dont count

90 percent of the time LOOKS MATTER END OF

Cheers for all your thoughts guys. Really appriciate them. I've had an issue with my weight for a while but learning not to worry and to enjoy the skin I'm in is something I plan on working on big time. I'll also be hitting the gym more often and watching what i eat, ive not heard of Inferno though Phil? Again, i think its part of Inner Game...Beginning to think that Inner Game is everything in the gaming world!! Again, thanks guys!

No they don't END OF

SAME OLD COMMUNITY BOLLOCKS... image in this world is EVERYTHING that u cant argue with.

If u say to a girl... Which of them 2 would u fuck... 2 random men she would fuck the better looking...

THEY MATTER END OF

Yes, looks do matter.
But look at Ross Jeffries,
It's not everything.

Haha what the fuck are you on about thats the most ridiculous thing ive heard for ages. If you asked a girl with any kind of social awareness which one out of two random men she would like to fuck, she would tell you to fuck off. Try it, and see what happens. Women DO NOT THINK LIKE MEN, PHIL. They're a hell of a lot more attracted to a guy that is intelligent, and socially confident, than a guy that is good looking. Power speaks to women, not looks. END OF

Emm id say , bein a pretty handsome guy, that looks just matter to some extent... And anyway I once saw a survey on stereet on which random ladies were shown the photos of random males , with telling em how much they earn.. and that showed that
even an unattractive male who scored 2(!) before knowing his income did score ~6 when known hes well off ... food for thought...





LL

Afraid to tell u mate that ur judgement is obviously based on BOOKS.... mine is BEIN OUT THERE havin shit loads of girls around me and i have sked the question... WHICH WOULD U FUCK.... seeing how they act...
hearing them say ID LOVE HIS DICK.. ur full of crap, the world and women is not how books tell it... women are just as sexually active as men, and alot dirtier when in a group.. AND YEAH POWER IS A HUGE FACTOR more so than looks BUT NONE THE LESS

LOOKS STILL MATTER... if u have an ugly man and a good looking man both of the same other qualities... A FACT is the better looking is more desirable..

If you insist Phil...

u guys are all deluded if u think women are not like men... I MEAN DELUDED

We don't doubt that but even man may drop the hb13's for 7.... just because she has greater values.

As they say "Beauty is in the eye of beholder"... it goes both ways!

Not at all. I don't consider myself good looking in the slightest and I don;t wear up the minute trendy clothes... nor do I train in the gym. This never seems to unsettle attraction on the girls part. If it did I would lose attraction for that girl anyway, so it's win win.

We are men, not models. If you take the mindset that a girl has to fancy you for your clean cut chin, then you've lost, and you'll be seeking IOIs from all the girls you come across. Go after the girls you like the look of, not the other way round.

Afraid to tell you mate but either you are completely full of shit, or you are knocking about with skanky girls that give blowjobs in toilets and shit. not that there's anything wrong with these girls, but basing your whole perception of women on these kind of girls is as absurd as the scouse accent (no offence)

What are these books you're on about. Are yo talking about books in general, or books on pick up?

As much as I hate to, I have to agree with phil. I personally think looks are a MASSIVE factor.

So many times ive been out with some of my 'pretty boy' mates who have no game and I've charmed the ass off a girl. But I'd say about 7 times out of 10 they'd drop me and try and seduce my mate. I don't think it's anything to do with confidence and being comfortable with yourself either. The majority of my 'pretty boy' mates are insanely self conscious and don't dare cold approaching girls.

Perhaps you need to review your mindset in set. You are seeing the girls as in control and selecting you or your mates, as you say THEY drop you.

Do your pretty boy mates pull a hell of a lot then? Or are they too self conscious to pull the trigger when it counts. I for one know too many pretty boys who get nothing.

You been thinking thoughts your whole life, and look where that's got you.

When I'm out with friends in pubs/clubs that one of the boys goes home with a different good looking girl every week. He's 6'3", lean 16st, tanned, looks like Gerald Buttler and is very confident (trust me he's HOT haha). My other mate's not a good looking guy but he's got a gorgeous girlfriend. Another friend, is chissel jawed, in good shape but socially backward and I'm not even sure he's kissed a girl.
I'd say I'm average looking (at best), but both my girlfriends have been very pretty (my mates reminded me they were out of my league often enough haha).

So as someone else said 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder', but there are things you can do to make yourself more 'attractive'. In my case I'm assuming my naturally cocky funny attitude made me more 'attractive'.

P.S. I'm new to pick up, this just my exeprience, so take it with a pince of salt.

Good looks are a foot in the door that's all, a good looking guy can get attraction from a girl instantly, but just as quickly dissipitates after 5 minutes of conversation with him.

If you're carrying abit of weight, it's not a problem you can lose it. If you're short like me there's not alot you can do about it but be cool with it, most tall girls won't be into you regardless therefore just go for shorter girls.

Says who? You think no tall girls like Al Pacino or have a 'thing' for short guys? Don't limit your options by assuming things that may well not exist.

The reason I argue this is because I used to know a guy that was really unnatractive (I won't say ugly cos he was my mate) and he just didn't give a fuck. Girls used to look at him and think 'eeuugghhh', I could see it in their faces when he introduced himself to them, but as soon as they could see that he wasn't self conscious about it, it was almost as if it wasn't an issue. He was just good with people, women in particular, it didn't matter what he looked like cos he was such a charismatic, intelligent guy. He ended up going out with by far the fittest girl from my work, and everyone was like "eh?" So Phil you can bang on all you want about how looks are such an important factor for women to feel attraction, but I know this to be complete bollox through actual life experience, rather than asking a few girls that i knock about with at a club what they think about the subject.

Looks help, but we can only change so much about how we look, what we can work on his improving ourselves to become better people, and hence our game.

'Says who?'........I say so. With all due respect Al Pacino is an A list Hollywood celebrity with millions in his bank account. It isn't a particularly valid or useful comparison to make. His short comings (no pun intended) in physical terms are compensated for by his status and wealth.

By no means am I saying if you're ugly, short whatever it's game over for you. It's certainly not, it just means you have to work alittle harder, i.e. on charm and charisma, dealing with the hand god dealt you and not giving a fuck about it. But also just be mindful that there are girls out there who will not (no matter how good your game is) go out with a short guy, ugly guy, guy of a certain race etc because it's just some 'thing' that they have.

You think it's the millions in his bank that attracts the girls? How about his charisma, his larger than life presence, the respect he commands from all who surround him. It is these characteristics that attract the girls, not the money. Peter Andre has millions in the bank, how much respect do you see him getting?

Why should you be mindful of such limiting thoughts though Hustler? How about being mindful that anything is possible instead. I reckon you'd benefit a lot more.

load of shit i have plenty of girl mates and if i ask them which guy they would prefer or which one they would rather sleep with they will give an honest answer. The girls who dont say anything are the shy shit ones in my opinion too scared in case they dont act "lady like"

Looks DO matter it will make it easier to approach you will catch the girls eye but different girls are visually attracted by certain guys, if u dont look her type then u will have to work harder to get her attention and build rapport. Likewise guys who are not conventionally good looking will not be catch their eye as easy and when u approach u have to work harder just means u needa thicker skin.

If a guy is rated 6/10 for looks if he was too get a really nice well styled haircut and great looking clothes and work out so he has a great body he will now be a 8/10 or maybe even 9, so most average guys can still look attractive enough by imrpoving the things they have control over, ofc a naturally good looking guy who will look better but after getting their attention its ur body language and attitude that will really get the most attraction

Girls awesome good looking mean connote confidence because they are good looking, u just have to play the part, if u dont then your looks wont matter. I know from personal experience a girl has looked at me thought i was really good looking but after speaking to her i gave off a weak impression and she was away. If this was the opposite way around most guys would probs stay with the girl because she was hot..

So looks mean u have to work less and are giving an easier way in to talk to girls, but i found just like with women good looking guys such as myself can be very insecure.

What you look like doesn't matter. But how you present yourself does. It is not enough to just be yourself. You must be your best self.

tyler durden had it right when he said non goodlooking guys pull less not because of their apparent lack of looks but because they have more self limiting beleifs than good looking guys.

good looking guys tend to be more confident and have less self limiting beleifs. they are alot more likely to approach (or put themselves in positions where they will get approached) and find sucess. the sucess therefore results largely due to the law of averages and confidence.

essentially, sort ur beliefs out! u r the daddy!

Hmm I think this is probably because they view you as more of a girlfriend than a guy/potential sexual partner. Ok maybe you're right I was talking a bit of shit with this comment but nevertheless if you ask a girl which random guy she would rather fuck,the good looking one or the ugly one, and then base your beliefs on this kind of information, then you are a tinssy bit retarded.

That gets you noticed. Great. What then, wait for the girl to pick you up because she thinks you are a scorcher? F*ck good looks. It gets you nowhere... fast.

Plain and simple.