I don't worry about it - can't see any benefit. It's been a long time since I've seen a girl and though "I'm not good looking enough". That's a bad place to be.

One thing I would mention ; looks, even within the perimeters of unchanging physical appearance, are fluid.

Two identical twins walk into a bar, exactly alike down to the side their cocks are hanging.

One, mumbles, won't make eye contact, doesn't take the lead in conversation, fidgets etc.

The other is confident, creates report etc.

Ask a group of girls to rate them on physical appearance alone and their will be a large variation in favor of the confident twin.

(this obviously assumes the girls are unaware of the experiment)

A fine analysis.

u know i started on this forum, and hated how kowalski always said BE AUTHENTIC... coz its hard to be if u dont know how to be...

but then i got bored of people ramblin on about DYNAMICS & such like and intricasies and microcalibrations and realised, u guys need to stop readin books

walk up to a girl an say HI... then just talk, have some fun with the talk, tease her for bad errors in judgement... and stand by ur views and Smile with it JUST ENJOY SPEAKIN TO WOMEN without thinkin about it... coz after the first 30 seconds the fear goes, all thats left is ur opinion

SO SPEAK HOW U WOULD TO UR MATES ABOUT THE STUFF U TALK ABOUT.. but to girls... then eventually ur so comfortable doin it... ur a natural...

FUCK WOMENS OPINION ON U, be U... not the U who is afraid to approach women, but the u who made friends... if you have friends, u seduced them, its the same with a girl except they suck ur cock (except my freind colin he does too)

Being authentic is being as comfortable with women, as u r with ur mates AND FORGETTING THEY ARE A GIRL for a moment

plus there is loads of other shit but i been the gym and want a bath... but u can find it all in my new book at just £10.99 in all good book stores

I was gonna try and read all the posts in the this debate before posting but I can't be bothered. The way I see it is that good make approaches easier and being approach more likely but that's pretty much where it ends. As kowalski said good looks are subjective anyway and for women this is even more true.

I got a mate, good looking, tall, gets a lot of women approaching him but he's very awkward around them and so he never gets anywhere. On the contrary I know a guy who is overweight and really short who does really well with women. These are extreme examples and of course good lucks will in general make things easier on average, but this is all. Look at Tom Cruise, he is undoubtedly good looking, but women are completely polarised on him because of his actions. Also, if what Phil said is true, why doesn't every girl in the room go for the same guy?

Finally, I do think going to the gym is a good idea, but not to please other people. You should do it for yourself; so you are more healthy and confident because in many ways women usually see a guy how he sees himself.

again... women dont go for the same man coz looks are a "factor" and a large one... not the be all... other wise i would rely solely on the fact im a handsome muthafuker woulnt i... and the fact im OUTRAGEOUSLY funny & charming would be of no consequence...

fortunatly for me i tick all the boxes as im THE FULL PACKAGE

Mate you are losing it

1. Being none threatening, and interesting, lol why wouldn't that work.
2. I never said it was just about sex, i only see it, as improving your social skill, learning how to get a social hook is not dishonest in my opinion.

Even if i did consider it to be fake, it still wouldn't be as bad as what a lot of people do and say every day, its like your looking for the moral high ground that isint there.

I have an analytical approach to alot of things, like improving my tennis game, my mate i play with, doesn't like this approach, he says he likes to rely on natural ability, but i argue he doesn't understand what natural ability is, i see no difference in improving social skills and tennis skills.

How do you feel about some guy trying to get a better understanding of attraction.

Nova do you have to thank him, every single time he posts, its making me feel sick lol.

For a socially unintelligent guy,this could be very bad advice.

Just to clarify, why exactly do you think this could be bad advice to anyone?

I am also interested in what you mean by 'social intelligence'. To me being social is something anyone can be.

Yeah being social is just being talkative, anybody can do it.

In my view someone that is not very socially intelligent is unaware of social awkwardness, I no someone that doesn't no when to end a conversation, the convo gets stale, i make it clear i want to leave, yet he keeps talking. Unaware of the uncomfort hes creating.

Someone who stands to close when talking, clueless of how they make someone feel.

Telling a story and not realizing other people are getting bored.

Talks about an inappropriate subject.

Am sure you have met people like this.

See above

If there not aware of the problem, they will never learn from approaching.

(What i like about structured game is, it breaks down social interactions into an understandable form, for those that need it).