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Default Frame and Alpha Advice - 02-04-2009, 08:31 AM

Ive got an interesting one in the mix at the moment . Basically she's a 'turbo' hottie lol but she has an incredibly strong frame and she knows it ... Basically im seeing her tommorrow (friday) and while ive already got a pretty strong hold on her , i know she's going to be playing games and throwing shit tests left and right ...

So , if your replying i would be interested to know how you would go about imposing an unbreakable frame and dominating ... (looking forward to some detailed answers from some of our more 'intellectual' members here)
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Default 02-04-2009, 11:17 AM

Waiting for the replies too in anticipation...! Got so much to learn!

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Default 02-04-2009, 06:12 PM

All I'll say is the very first time she does something you really dont approve of let her damn well know it. Our initial impressions tend to be the strongest so If she gets away with something once, she knows she can do it at all the times if she's persistant enough.

Go Pavlov on her her ass. Chances she'll be testing you seeing what your reactions are, Dont fall prey. Your under no obligation at all to defend yourself for anything. Simply offer no reaction. If you go on the defensive then you've given her actions validation. Like Jaz says calibrate dont be doing in a way that you'r coming off as being in a 'mood' with her.

The opposit of love isnt Hate its indifference.

Same goes the opposit way, if she does some you like then tell her she's a girl, soon enough her unconscious will get the message and she'll behave herself.

Take my advice coming from someone who's been in full on Sub Dom realtionships before. Its always the strong confident self assured women who are the first to submit. They have more to lose from giving away control so they will damm well test you to see if your good enough. Once they realise you cant be manipulated they will just go along for the ride.
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Default 02-04-2009, 07:45 PM

In the intellectual order, the virtue of humility is nothing more than the power of attention…

I think the force is strong with Jaz on this one. An “unbreakable” frame would be energetically expensive in its rigidity. It invites tests, demands to eventually be submitted to and (as there is no such thing as unbreakable) impossible to maintain. Remember that when a frame breaks you lose whatever is in it, Rapunzel included, and that would suck ass if she can do turbo

A frame of flexibility, however, allows you to include and transcend hers. No fight, no submission, just being present and responsive enough to the information in the now to make your frame the inevitable consequence of hers. So, how might such conceptual pyrotechnics be translated in to behaviour?

Focussing on the motivations that fuel each conversational thread/game. You like her games, they’re fun, because you understand the motivation at the cause of each and can indirectly communicate this as you play. Awareness of the motivation allows you to choose to play (damn well if you’re correct in its motivation) so you can create the experience of playing the game together (communicates inclusion) without becoming a slave to her frame. The connection achieved from this experience, therein containing her original motivation, becomes the motivational seed of the next game, set by you. Any game grown from this seed means that she is already invested in it, because she played the part of creating its parameters, and it already contains the developed conclusion of what she wanted in the beginning (communicates transcendence). You cheeky scamp.

The key? The flexibility to lavish your focus on the motivations of her frames while creatively subsuming them in your own. Not a small thing. However, when done well, having a “strong hold on her” becomes like trying to make a flower bloom.

However, as you read this and wonder how it might apply to you, I can’t help but be reminded of a Mystery quote that went something like, “when your game is tight and a girl comes along that you deem important, a lot of guys think, 'now is the time to break out the new stuff that I’ve been working on as only this will be powerful enough to secure her.' This is the wrong move, focus on your best and most comfortable game to create the best circumstances possible for getting the outcome you want.”

So, in a situation like yours, I’d rather be sure of my aim rather than the ammo I’m using.

Game on.
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Default 02-04-2009, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaz View Post
I am in no way some super fucking always in state frame controlling ninja.
lol, well said.

When I need help, I ask a Ninja...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jPL66iLuEE
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Default 03-04-2009, 08:00 AM

Just to say thanks guys , you've given me a pretty good idea of what i am going in with .....


If i had to sum it up i guess

'BEND BUT DONT BREAK THE FRAME'

Be in control but be flexible and in your own fun zone
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