Usually I'd approach a girl within around 4ft with ease and say the 1st thing that comes to mind...

On a standard night out I'd get rejected 2 to 4 times before I find 1, kiss close, exchange numbers and return to a friend, sometimes go home with them. I realised this is a part of life and I'm not bothered if they say 'no' but my success in the last 2 weeks has been a little poor, worse than usual.

Last night 8 girls rejected me and on monday, out of the 4 or 5 I approached only 1 kiss closed.

I'd like to improve this rate. What do you guys use as an opener during night game?

Of the 4 or 5 you approached, only 1 kiss closed? This is a good return mate, don't knock it. Especially since you'd easily be able to get her number and a D2, and thus be able to sex her without too much difficulty from there. As for your problems with getting rejected:

NEWSFLASH: As a guy who goes and talks to lots of women in order to have a relationship with them, you are going to get rejected A LOT. Getting rejected 8 times in one night is nothing.

I know all the "gurus" out there would have you believe they can approach and sex any girl they like without getting rejected, but this is not the case. See Jaz's thread on rejection for an in-depth explanation:

http://www.puaforum.co.uk/seduction-...blown-out.html

As for approaching, "approaching a girl nearby and saying the first thing that comes to mind" is exactly how to do it. Don't change a thing.

well Let me think..

You said this "Last night 8 girls rejected me"

Now from a girl point of view the girls that like you will be watching you and seeing you chatting to these women and think you are a player, or your desperate and needy.

Make sure that you ONLY talk to few women in one night in one place. Dont wait till the nightclub and then open up a kiss me quick booth as its going to look bad.

If you make eye contact with a girl and her body language is right, then ask them, talking to girls in their groups wont work or using the first line that pops into your head.
Like any job, do some research and know what they are about can give you a head start in thinking of a line that is unique to them, for example if they have a new hair style this week..

Personally I think it could be that your being seen to ask a lot of girls out.

I think far too much attention is paid to openers, it's not as if they are the make or break as to whether you pull the girl or not, apart from maybe the Apocalypse opener.

I can personally say that this is nonsense, with all due respect.

Recently I closed a girl who was doing just this - checking me out whilst I was gaming some other sets. If anything it adds to your perceived "value", that is unless you're seen getting slapped or otherwise loudly rejected, which should be a very, very rare thing if you're a socially adjusted guy.

Dont even think about it in terms of rejection and failure.

I know this has been said before but its true,

When ever you go over and you treat the situation as something fun and amusing then nearly every single time its going to be a success.

I'd usually still only say something along the lines of 'Hi, what's your name' or 'how you doing' and sometimes if I get far enough into finding out where they're from I'd do a cringe or a cross with my fingers in their face and the following 10 - 20sec would be as follows:

me: where are you from
her: the land of the fairies
me: ough *do a cross by putting the index fingers on each hand to make an X so she sees'
her: what's wrong with ...?
me: Mummy told me not to talk to girls from there
her: why
me: you wouldn't wanna know
OR
me: she said they were naughty!

I tried negging openers a few times but girls take it very offensively! LOL I kind of see why if done badly

Me: HEY, I LIKE YOUR DRESS!
her: AWW, THANKS (or anything else along the lines of thanks)
me: I THINK MY GRANDMA HAS 1

there was even times when I changed grandma for sister and they still didn't appreciate it.

To me the opener is probably most important basics, followed by the peacocking used to help it because if done right, it sets you up for the next few minutes. Especially if you go to the sort of place where its visible that girls have been trying to make them selves look pretty infront of a mirror for 1hour before coming out. They will probably get 2 attempts at approaching them within a song, just some attempts are more visible than the creepy 1s of the guys dancing next to them trying to 'accidentally' shoulder barge them or 'accidentally/ sneakily' girnd on them to get their attention (god I remember those awkward days... when I'd transfer creepy guy feeling to them).

Anyway... I think the point of a good opener is so that within the 1st 20seconds, she'd see you're different from the last 6 creepy guys who all looked the same, were all too drunk, said same thing and probably showed their nervousness or neediness in body language too soon + too forward.

The objective of being different is why I try to take control of the situation:

If she tries to kiss me, I'd stand up tall, take about a foot back and give her a cheeky smile. Then once she looks at me I'd gently stroke her behind the ear or just pull her chin towards me.

Other ways I try to keep control is to not let her get carried away with getting all the attention like every other guy would on another night. Every now and then take a few steps back, make it look like I'm more interested in an object behind her or keeping a cheeky eye out for my friends

anyway... Tomorrow is an opening night for one of the clubs here in newcastle and I'm giving it a visit so if any1 has any advice of what to add or what to stop doing. Please tell me.

oh and I'm revising for uni exams which start on monday so I'm being forced into sober evenings out and less frequent visits to this forum!

Well if you think what you say in the opener is important then fair enough, I still don't think what you first say has any bearing whether you'll end up kissing her, getting her number etc.

Also I'm not sure what type of rate you are expecting but I can guarantee even the top PUA's will not be getting with every single girl they approach, and that's not because their game isn't good, its because the girl may have other things going on in her head.

I agree with D.Styles. What you say to start off with doesn't really matter. What matters (for me) is I feel comfortable with what I am approach with (note that I never said that I feel comfortable - just comfortable with what I'm saying - which is the important part I think). I've had success with a simple 'Hello!' and canned stuff.

The more I approach, the more I'm realising that the interaction you have when approaching means shit. And, as D.Styles said, it really has no bearing on k-closing her.

Just assess each situation and open in a way that makes you feel comfortable. Using a set in stone method or routine only sucks the fun out of interaction anyway! And the fun part is always the not knowing how it will turn out! Trying to pre-empt what you say during the whole interaction can never be fun.

By the way...

... is a quality opener! And I can guarantee I can get that to work! I'll try it and get back to you.

Anyway! Dude! Your hit rate is good! 5 to 1 kiss close! awesome ratio! (I want that ratio!) Rejection is all part of it. Just keep going as you are!

It's 10:02 in the morning and I'm writing this still under the influence of alcohol. I genuienly don't remember most of last night except for a few blurs...

In the trebbles bar there was 3 girls I slept with in the past so I pulled her, then we were near the door and I saw a 2 set, a short time later her friend went outside because she was desperate to move on while she stood there on her own, trying to finish what looked like a trebble red bull & vodka. opened her up with 'hey, what's your name' which followed by another line from me '*her name*, i think your friend was mean for leaving you alone' and just as she finished her drink and about to leave, i pointed to my cheek for a goodbye kiss which turned into a standard snog.

In the club there was even more girls I've had history with so I proceded to K-close each 1 of them and kiss closed 3 randomers... Total number of kiss closes was 8 of which were 3 randomers and 5 that I've either slept or k-closed before.

Didn't get any new numbers nor did I f-close any of them...

I think next step for me is getting enough trust from them to take them back... Does anyone have any ideas they'd like to share on how to build enough rapport to take them back?