Passive agressive:

Passive–aggressive behavior (negative personality trait) is passive, sometimes obstructionist resistance to following through with expectations in interpersonal or occupational situations.

It is a personality trait marked by a pervasive pattern of negative attitudes and passive, usually disavowed resistance in interpersonal or occupational situations.

is the green i see the same as the green you see..

deeeeeeep!

The thread is ament to be what it is.

I assume the original post was aimed at me.

For background, the poster claims to be a 'teacher' of pick up who wishes to start a company and make money out of it, and for the last 5 weeks I've been spending time in the field with him, and a small group of genuinely good fellers in Liverpool.

It has since become clear I disagree fundamentally with the original poster's 'teaching methods', the basis of his (largely unquestioned) authority in the Liverpool community, the principle he pursues that he should have sole executive power over who is allowed in and out of that community (any new people must go through and pass a 'consultation' before being allowed to join in), and that I further disagree with many of the things he says (and if I don't disagree - much of the time I haven't a clue what he's talking about).

He has chosen to dismiss this as me being 'passive aggressive' and has dismissed my rejection of some of his methods and ideas as a lack of an open mind, although I'm not sure he fully understands the implications of passive aggressive behaviour. It just sounds good.

I will let other people decide for themselves as to whether his is an accurate observation or not - that isn't a judgement for me to make. But it isn't an attribute I recognise in myself.

For what its worth - we have built a whole society on the basis that all authority is contingent, can be questioned and held to account, and always challenged. Further, those in authority must accept this principle, and thus accept that they must be robust. They must accept challenges to their authority with considered response, not with the isolation of the critic.

When we abandon that principle, we enter the realm of authoritarianism - which leads to a cult of personality to a single authority, unquestioning acceptance of all one is told regardless of how much it conflicts with what one's own eyes are telling you, and suppression, rejection and isolation of anyone who disagrees, along with the distortion of their views to support the basis of that rejection.

I appeal to everyone in the pick up community to be questioning of absolutely everything you read, see and hear, to search for inconsistencies, and to not be afraid to act upon them when you locate them. This approach must be present in every aspect of life, as much as in pick up.

No-one has all the answers. Be acutely aware of anyone claiming too.

That's all I have to say on this subject. I didn't want to bring this stuff into the open - I don't make a habit of washing my dirty linen in public. I am disappointed that I had too on this occasion. But if I see something like this, which my best judgement tells me is aimed at me (and lets face it - this is pretty thinly veiled), I can't just sit still and not respond.

I have now done so, made my point, and will not post further on this thread. The original poster, and anyone else, are free to disagree with me if they wish to do so.

That post was made on three different forums.

Thats enough to make all 4 million words look passive agressive.

To the other guys, thanks for keeping an open mind.

An open mind about what? You haven't said anything.

Seems like you've come down to have a pop at a well respected poster, because he won't do things your way.

CO I echo what K said for being so restrained and intelligent about this public attack on you, I respect you even more now.

As for reactionz, I don't think the other guys knew the full context or point of your post, so took it not to be an attack on another forum member, who I have met and can say is a genuine and nice guy. So I believe you thanks is misplaced.

Also do you think posting veiled insults on forums is a mature thing to do?

K. If you're not going to do your job properly then I will.

Reactionz - you're an asshole. And you come across as a bit of a pussy.

I'm a bit of a cock, so either apologise to CO or get fucked.

Why are you under the assumption it's an attack.
Or having a go.

Is the possibility that i believe deAngelo's theories to be amazing much more obvious?
Or that it was simply me trying to 'open minds' to new words and ideas?
Or if you deciede to be negitive, that i saw something i thought 'wow' about and wanted to post it to possibly help others.

I'm being straight when i say i think everyone in manchester, (thats where Covert tells me your from) has an awesome community and you all seem like awesome guys.

Like i said the post is a post, he lives down the road for gods sake, and i was born and raised on one of merseyside's toughest council estates. So if i wanted to attack someone, i'd do it.

I feel like a simple little nothing post has turned into people judging/hating/insulting someone they haven't even had the decency to ask.

I'm genuinely shocked.