Hi everybody.

I've been lurking the forums and working on my pick up game and when it comes to opening and getting numbers I'm ok.

Recently I met a girl in a non club environment and been out with her 4 times but there has been no real escalation.

All my friends are telling me that many dates with a girl and not kissing her= friendzone which to me makes sence but is this always the case?

Agreed.

Just wanted to know if 4 dates is too late to make a move