Kezia Noble is not a PUA, she's a business woman looking to make money.

You'd be better off saving your £1000/£3000 and buying some nice clothes, or spending it on something more useful in your life. I've been on a PUA bootcamp which didn't cost as much as that - but the bulk of it wasn't really up to much - all the theory they taught can be easily found for free on the itnernet (if you want to learn it although I would recommend against it) and the other thing they do is push you to approach women which you can do yourself, or with a friend to help you.

PUA is bullshit, perhaps some of the iner game and mind easpects can be useful, but the rest of it is about being fake and someone you are not. The ther posters on here have given the best advice - its more about being yourself and being happy who you are. If your not generally an extroverted, cheeky flirty centre of attention kind of guy, doin gPUa isn't going to do anything for you. You need to be whoever you are (whoever that may be) & be comfortable and happy with it.

I think you need to get laid.

I'll do a residential for you.

Broadswords is right imo that you really should be just who you are, and, I would just like to add, to treat other people like you would like to be treated yourself....and if they don't dig that then that's up to them.

But the main thing I want to say is that it is worth knowing that there are a lot of women out there who are totally useless when it comes to being picked-up/being approached, and these are the ones that ruin your confidence, but if you do it enough, trying to keep your confidence, accepting the blow-outs, many of them, you will occassion upon a woman who is sorted and cool, and whether she accepts or declines your attention you WILL FEEL OK ABOUT ASKING HER, WHATEVER. When this happens you will realise that so many women are crap at being asked/approached and they try to make you think it is your fault when it is actually theirs that you are left feeling wiith your confidence low.

All I can suggest is get asking, keep asking, and when you meet one of these women that are cool and ok with it then know and remember that that is how it should be, and if it isn't then it is not your fault it is theirs.

As to what you say, well, it varies with the occassion. I recently saw a woman parking in a supermarket carpark. Her car was a sporty thing. I saw her inside, and there was no-one in the isle, and so I approached her. I said, warm and friendl and fun, 'Oh hi, it's you. I saw you drive in..... my car is better than your car', which my car isn't, in her stakes, but she was cool with ordinary cars, too.

I was being playful, juvenitle, and she liked that light playfulness. I asked her IF she might like to 'take things further', she said that she was married. I knew that she was trying to say, 'Yes, but totally secret and a one off'. 'Of course', I said, 'For sure'. Anyway we went back to my place and got stuck in. She was really fit, soooo sexy. Such great legs...mmmmm, loved it.

You might be pulling my leg here, but sure. I had planned to do it in the beginning of springtime 2015. Marsh or something. IF Kezia fails me, I'll consider you alongside whatever plan B I can come up with. For now, I can do little else but have confidence and be positive.

I agree, I really do, but alas it needs the right body for a start. thin women are very few and far between.

Well, I tried exerting control all the way over to my residential and tried my best maintaining a cynical mind, but once I was thrown into Kezia's machinery I was very satisfied with the product. Of course I've little to compare it too, but I'm convinced I made the right choice. Trainer after trainer to wear me down and I preferred some better than others, but they were all grounded, conscientious and passionate enough individuals that they managed to explain all of... this... game... thing in a way that I've been able to make it my own. One of them a police officer doing this as his part-time job.

I was pretty negative about pick-up and this chest pumping "be a better man" ego-pomp at first, thinking it would only inconvenience and manipulate women, but through Kezia's trainers I now see it as a lost art of having proper human interaction as evolution intended it to be. I was too much about equality and I finally see how I do indeed need a different touch to interact properly with women.
No, I really am that much about logic rather than bravura. I just needed to be sat down and given a kind talk to, and dragging along to observe and experience that it really does make life better for me and women both.

I can understand you people now and the things you do, seeing them as a necessity, though I still baulk at the more extreme "just be a man" ideas, like it isn't something you slowly learn. There are indeed tricks, techniques and ways of looking at it to consider, that wouldn't have come normal to be but now that I've been taught, make me a 100x better at.

It's been a month ago and socially I've improved with everybody, not just women. I can get telephone numbers consistently and am fine with beautiful girls. Haven't gotten "laid" yet, but one lucky windfall was never my primary goal. I just want to improve to a point where dealing suitably with my caliber of women becomes naturaly consistent from an angle that I feel I'm still myself. Now that I see things from a different perspective, I do and am capable of getting better on my own now.

Only thing that still frustrates the hell out of me is text game, which I couldn't have been properly prepared for, but I hope to get there eventually.

If nobody minds, I'm going to hang out here a little bit more and find out if I can gain some more scraps of knowledge and if I can "sarge" or team up with other people who do game.

Tbh through the whole of this thread it sounds like you made up your mind on your opinion of this program before you signed up or even before you asked on here, and if you really just wanted to do a program for the sake of it and that's what you got, fine. But I'd really question whether this is something that was worth dropping that kind of money on. It doesn't sound to me like you've walked out of there with anything you couldn't have gotten for free from hanging out with decent people and putting some work in for a while. I man I just looked this program up and it says that this shit cost £4000, and all for stuff you could have gotten just by making the effort to find some experienced guys and head out with them regularly. That's fucking madness man.

Also, don't spend time fretting over text game. It's a non issue. If your actual real life game is solid, what you say in a text message won't be that important.

I appreciate your the notion that I'm only trying to justify it because I've already expended a certain amount of value on it (that it might not actually possess). That would mean I've been an idiot and who would like to admit that, if not to a forum, but to himself? You've a fair point Stein.

Still, I have been bitching about this for years to friends to the point of mutual exhaustion. With the background of Asperger, I've been seeing psychiatrists and relation therapists for over a decade, pushing this problem to the foreground for half of that.
All that got me was just "be yourself, relax, don't worry about it, it will happen eventually". Sometimes I got a bit of advice, but when I applied it, it didn't work. In hindsight however, it's like giving me a puzzlepiece saying it's a horse, but me throwing that piece away since I can't see the horse on it. I just couldn't fit it together and nobody had the time, energy and insight to explain the whole of it to me. I couldn't for the life of me combine "be indifferent" with things like "make sure to lead the conversation in a certain direction", "flirt a little", let alone with a dozen of the other things that make it a flowing and working dynamic between men and women. I never realized how it all works together in unison. I've also been friend-starved and pretty isolated most of my life and no, I might have hung out with decent people, but they never made it click for me. And yes, all of them told me I was mad to do this course as well.
On the other hand, browsing forums like these clashed heavily with my pre-conception to treat women honestly and in the same way I would treat any other person. And the same people who told me I was mad to do the course, also told me that Pick-up (or Game in my case) wouldn't work for someone like me because "I need to be myself".

I *think* (and let me heavily emphasize the word "think" since I really respect that you have a point) that this really is what I needed to finally get the picture. I could have spend another decade putting in the energy trying to make up for my innate inability to understand social dynamics and throw the seperate puzzlepieces at this problem on-at-a-time, but only being more frustrated and isolated because of it and waste in excess of 4000 pounds worth of time, effort and frustration. What others did seemed like magic to me.

What's so ironic about it all, is that after I got home, I finally managed to speak to other guys about this and managed to relate for once in my life. When I talked to the dozen of "just be yourself" friends about all the things I learned, some of them suddenly reacted with "you know, I never thought about it like that, but I recognize myself in that. And (That's what I did when I was dating)". There's this really capable frenchman in my campus flat whose attitude I couldn't understand in the past, but we suddenly have things in common.


Maybe you're right about the product Steiner. I'm not sure; it's possible there's a class of people out there that do really need it, like with my Diagnosis and this really wasn't evidentary for me, but it's also possible that I'm just justifying my choices.

That it is madly stupid, you're definitly right on. Stupid either because you're right and I wasted a fortune, or stupid because I was dense enough to really not figure it out on my own and put myself in that position because of unfortunate life choices. I kinda feel like a chump either way.


Either way, thanks for engaging me Stein. Whatever the case, I'm ready to finally ready to step up to the plate. Doing that, I'm more comfortable with the believe that the Residential was valuable to me, but not without recognizing your view.

I'm going to join this PUA group thing where I hang out with other "artists" out in reality. One of my trainers told me about it. Hope to run into others out there in the London scene. If I did put in too little energie and time at first, I've now been jumpstarted to definitly do it now.

I think you're making progress, so I say well done keep your will strong.