Right, first of all - YouTube - Dizzee Rascal - Holiday

Ok, now thats out of the way - star signs, talk to me.

I was talking with this girl recently who's really into star signs etc...

Now I don't believe in them purely because it all seem so WTF like, how can the day you're born dictate your character etc.

But then everytime I read the personality of a typical Cancerian I think - yup, thats me down to a T. So WTF??

I lay this thread before the brains of the PUA forum for discussion.

Anyone with some science or facts or bits of magic stones they have, let me know your thoughts on this!!

Whenever a target female asks me what star sign I am, I say:

'I was born Cancer but I changed to Sagittarius.'

This, (my own invention,) is a complete conceptual frame-breaker for any female who has an attachment to astrology. And a lot do.They find it funny and outrageous and they have to know why.

I explain that I noticed that Sagittarians got all the good stuff in the horoscopes so I simply changed.

She then has an argument with me about whether it's possible to switch star signs. This is the kind of argument that is perfectly pitched for PU and leads to palmistry kino etc, etc.

So is astrology real? I find it plausible that the time of year you were conceived and born might have some developmental effect, but it's obviously nothing to do with arbitrary two dimensional shapes drawn upon a three-dimensional array of stars. (Don't use that insight as a PU line FFS)


Brimstone

Malcolm Gladwell's Outliers has some interesting stuff on that. He takes something like the top 20 hockey players in Canada (or something - can't remember the exact detail). And he notes that 15 of them were born from September to December.

Why? Because the school year starts in September. Meaning in primary school these kids had a physical head start over the other kids. It gave them an edge - In some cases up to 11 months extra development.

They were only slightly better to begin with. But then the better kids are put in the first team, they get better coaching, they get better equipment to play with. So they get even better, and these small advantages are translated into major benefits.

As for astrology - its absolute bollocks.

Read the first chapter of The Definitive Book of Body Language. Therein lies a paragraph of 'mind reading' which looks like a horoscope. They are all contradictory but seemingly plausible statements: "You are someone who enjoys the company of others, but also needs your own space from time to time to just step back and reflect... You feel comfortable with people, but feel you need to trust them before really opening up to them... etc'.

I also remember Derren Brown doing something similar to this. He wrote horoscopes for 20 people, and asked them to rank them. Everyone gave him 80%+ for accuracy, and said he had really good astrological powers.

Then it turned out he had given all 20 people identical horoscopes.

However, this stuff is also very potent chick crack. Use it with care, and you'll get some excellent results.

I hear you and totally agree horoscopes are bull!! But what about star signs..?

Not sure I agree K, I went back to the site I read the personality of a Cancer and read others like Leo etc and found them totally different. I’ve also found other Cancers I’ve met very similar, introverted/sensitive (good looking) etc…

So come on guys try again, is there anything about your “star signs” that you have find to be true by experience or any other evidence?

Also I wonder what star sign you are K…?

Oh man I hate that tune.