Hii

well am at a point when i can approach women pretty much anywhere and catch there interest during the opening. But am having problems of what to do next my mind goes blank and i come out with lame things like ''what kind of music do you like'' haha

But sometimes i can just keep talking and it goes well :] any tips on what i can do to build rapport (i think thats it)

Also am not really bothered if i get a rejection. But hmmm am also not sure how to approach a girl when theres lots of people and her friends around like in a Classroom.

thanks for any help : ]

Hey Photo_guy, well done first of all in getting to a point where the approaches are not the problem...I sucked at this for years! lol Once you have opened a girl it is all focused towards getting a close (number/kiss/D2/full) and to stand a better chance of this you're right - you need to build rapport and really connect with her.

Now there are two different styles you can use to make a connection with her so that you stand out from every other guy she'll meet that night - one is using routines/lines and the other being using Natural Game. Both can work depending on what sort of person you are. I know a lot of guys here prefer Natural Game although I really enjoyed using routines as I built this into my Game. Nowadays I have a lot of material/routines stored and still like to use them, but am able to transfer to more Natural Game knowing that if I need it - the other stuff is there. If you look on the archive posts there are some great conversation tips and will give you good questions to ask that will be interesting as well as different to the other guys and allows you to bond with her more deeply - there are also loads of rapport-building techniques too.

Also - good that you are not too phased by rejection - remember; everytime you get blown out you can use to see what went wrong and how you can change it for next time. Keep us posted on your progress Brother.

The thing is i don't see it as rejection anymore. Am glad i got up and talked to her as if i didn't now thats rejection. I just take the positives from it :]

HMm i think the lines/routines do help get there attention and then a change to natural and just talking and having a good conversation. To me i think the routines are good to get her attention especially when your learning :]

Most of the routines seem to be too american for here and things like the cube altho excellent dont work well in a bar/club as its so loud.

I do know what you mean - and I like to use the Ring Routine as it involves physical contact and can usually be done in a corner somewhere even if it is loud...but as long as when the routines and the tricks run out you have something interesting to say to keep her hooked then that's where some peopel fall down I think.

And yeah - everything is a positive - glad you have such a great outlook on it too..I like your mindset; if you don't approach - now that's a failure :-)

yep exactly i have done it in the past. Seen a nice girl been next to her for a bit and not opened my mouth and after i felt really bad and you keep thinking of it.

So now if i see a girl i like even if my mind is blank i just go up say hi and come out with something like the glasses opinion or just something in general like the weather if its on the street. But yeah its better than not saying anything and wondering, now that is the worst feeling.

Hmm think am going to have to read up on what to talk of after the opening :] aside from practicing.

Very good point Jaz! I often refer to 'opening' and I know what I mean, but it might be very misleading to newbies!

And PG - like I said, it is all about making a connection..look at the archive posts and you will find tons of stuff from questions, to conversation topics etc that will allow you not only to ask her lots of interesting qustions, but allow her to hear interesting things about you - which is an important part that a lot ogf guys forget...hearing you open up to her will make her trust you more and be more likely to be responsive to you. Once she has divulged personal thoughts that she might not usually to 'strangers' she will feel a conenction with you and be more receptive to giving out her number.

ahhh thanks for that jaz it makes sense. As i was always like ''am going to go and say hi to that girl'' hmmm i will try what you said it does make sense :]

Some good advice in here:
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thanks for all the help. makes very good sense :]

I acknowledge what you're saying Kowalski and I meant that if you do use routines etc then ensure you're not a one-horse-trick....make sure you can hold a decent conversation as well.

Personally I really like the routines, the stories etc because I use them in my wider Game BUT they are used to compliment my Game not as my entire Game! I think that is where some people may fall down...and maybe I was not being clear - so appologies if I confused anyone.