ok.

so further to my other post.

i let a few people in on what my strategy is... more to benefit from their opinions myself, rather than let them know how to do it.

I'm getting mixed reviews. Other than the guy in my other post. Most people are very negative. GUYS are negative.

its as if THEY DONT WANT TO BELEIVE that is it an art/science. They are dismissing that my using of technique is the key to my success, they want to beleive its something else.

A friend keeps telling me 'you dont need to use a book.... etc' 'be yourself' etc... and i reply with my logic, and that with direction and strategy you are more likely to accomplish your goals (in any field), yet it is as if, he doesnt want to beleive thats it (perhaps becuase he hasnt read it and hasnt had the success)

Other example: i chat to a mate who (i set him up with his current gf, due to my openers) and told him about a routine i run on some other chicks, he really dismissively shot me down, as if he wasnt approving what i was doing (when he must thoroughly know, that he would be with his girl, had it not been for my OPENER, which he knows was scripted)...


it annoys me when people dont give credit to the methods by which they succeed...



has anybody else had this problem. ??

it frustrates me, because i share with people who i want to benefit, but they dont trust me, regardless of the proof that is there!!!


frustrating!

Picard Out.

Hi mate, regulator here... Not posted regularly on here for a while but yeah ive had people who react like this too.

Got a couple of mates, one of whom i think is a fuckin legend who refuses to acknowledge this kind of shit ISNT devious or creepy or even lame. I told him about my pick ups using the skills ive learnt from the community and laughs at using routines or specific openers. He even had the audacity to says "that last opener was pants" to me once. Fair enough as the set tumbled down like a plane with no fuel. However i made the effort to open the set and after 4months of spliting up with his g/f he still hasnt approached a single girl.....

He blames it on the fact hes working loads to save money. Really hes scared to get shot down and wont admit it. How do you react to your mates shooting you down like that? Have you got any AFC mates who refuse to let you help them?

I think the thing is is that most people just can't beleive that you can get women like this. And there reality just cannot adjust to it. They most likley have the same old ideas in there head of ''get money, get cool car, girl will come''

If it works for you just stick to it and don't think of what others think about it

I get this reaction quite often with my non-community mates, alot of it comes down to lack of motivation and scepticism which you could say boils down to protecting ones ego from harm. I don't even bother giving my non-community mates advice now, there's been instances where i've handed these guys success on a plate yet they've not reached out to take it. Yes it's frustrating but is it worth compromising a good friendship?

So now like I said I don't give them advice, if i'm out with them I tend to go off and do my own thing as they quite often want to sit around and moan how life has dealt them a bad hand. If they see me involved with some girls, they're welcome to join me and participate or if they want any advice they can ask and i'll happily give my thoughts.

The best thing to do is just to lead by example. They'll notice you in action and how well you're doing and if they like what they see they'll ask about it and maybe become involved. Just preaching this stuff to people often results in a glazed look upon peoples faces, I used to do that until I was blue in the face. It just makes you come across as a gibbering buffon.

Haha, this old chestnut! When I started out with all this with Hustler it was immediately a matter of keeping this whole community thing to ourselves. It was almost like we knew that society and friends would frown upon us learning how to better ourselves with regards to pulling women. Along the way I slowly let close friends know, some seemed interested but generally they rejected the thought of changing their lifelong way of going about things. Any that accepted their shortcomings where too lazy to do anything about it. The best is example was recently I offered to help a guy who seemed very interested. When it came down to the gritty work, effort and hours that were needed he just wouldn't do it. To quote - 'I think I'm just gonan wait and see mate. One day a girl will walk in the bar and she'll be right for me'...

Not only is it fear of failing like Jaz says but it is fear of being seen to not know how to pull girls. Men are embarassed by this. Everyone wants to look like a player even though they are not. So many who talked abotu pulling women, but did not. The amount of the same old stories I've heard where people dress up a single situation where they've slept with one girl, or try and give solid sounding relationship advice based on two insecure girlfriends just to bolster their ego in front of their mates... yawn.

Its a sorry state of affairs but same here. I dont bother anymore being proactive with explaining it to people, but when friends see me number close or pull a move on a hottie and they ask, ill tell them.

Two things hold them back - fear of change and low ambition.

I spit on both.

To Regulator.

My reaction to being shot down has to be the same as being shot down by the girls themselves, reacting in an upstanding and gallant way, showing them ive not been knocked by one of their diggs and retaining high value.

yeah, ive got a few AFC mates, who would deffo benefit from the game, but they wouldnt dare admit it to me, or to anyone else i dont think... following on to this point....


....To Hustler.


this couldnt sum up my experience any better. Its like, i tell them exactly what i think, and rather than them; consider it, attempt to understand and agree or disagree; they really instinctively dont want to give my (our) ideas a chance!

and to echo some of Nova's ideas. Embarrasment, i think some of these guys are genuinly embarassed to admit they could benefit from help... i dont see whats wrong with taking help.
I use material, i benefit form it, credit the person who invented the material and appreciate its wealth!

I think as a community we are destined to be frowned upon, perhaps this is the trade-off between our potentially increased chances of success with women..?

The price we may have to pay form time to time? I pay it gladly!

Picard Out.

exactly the same brother!!

Picard

For real - 'People don't want the glory any more' (to quote Tyler)... they're happy enough to watch tv or in a film and see someone else getting the girl or living the dream.

I had the same problem, I started with game over two years ago, alot of my mates dismissed it...'you can't learn it from a book'..... you shouldn't do it you either have or you don't'.....and....your an idot....any way I settled down for a while with a girl I gamed, now all my mates are now into it.
The the fears come from our ancestors where, if you apporached a girl and you was rejected you would be cast out of the clan or if you apporached a girl who had a fella, her fella and his mates would drop a boulder on your head......
I believe alot of this talk that you shouldn't use game comes from social programming, you should compliment, open doors etc.

Think of this if anyone that is reading this and still has fears of opening...
The worst thing that can happen to a man is rejection, the worst that can happen to a woman is that she can be raped, beaten, murdered etc etc... put this into perpective.

A_sas_in