1st post.

Been playing the game actively now for a couple of weeks, and my openers are workgin well, i have a good affinity to open reallyg ood solid conversations with groups of girls, of varying sizes and looks...

but this keeps happening to me.

The Wingmen i choose, am aware that i am playing the game, but they themselves arent playing and/or havent studied the game in the same sense thta ihave, reading books, forums etc...

So i am tasked with creating the initial openers when we come across nice girls. I am breaking the ice, generating debate, comfort etc etc. However, it keeps occuring that after my opener, i don't get any backup form my teammates, and the girls, which i opened are then going off with my wings and i seem to be left with nothing.

Quite frustrating as i am the one making the effort (as well as concealing that effort) and others are benefitting form it.

Worst of all, after my wingman scored a blinding result with a HB9 and had beformed a #close and a Kclose. He was then unwilling to help me get ymself a result form the game, which resulted in some harsh words being exchanged later that night!

my Stickign Point is...

How can i retian command of a group that i've opened and not get them stolen off me??

i am prepared to adjust my tactics as i feel perhaps i may be doing something wrong??? but then again, this has happened more than once, and i am definately beginnign to feel that i cant find any good wingmen whatsoever!!!

please help fellow PUA/AFC

thanks pals!

Your friends are dicks!. Go out alone or with someone else! And if they are not in the game why tell them you are? Let them think you are just good with girls.

Also are you sure you are not getting in the comfort/ friend zone? You come in open then you don't escalate fast enough so your friends do? If so you need to pick and isolate a girl faster.

Fuck your mates, if you open you get pick. If they are fucking you, don't open for them!

Good points mycroft,

This is classic chode behaviour. Don't let it get you down, that's just how some chodes behave. Just take right action...

When you're next out with mates, just break away from them and approach. Move between sets and enjoy the party. You can always touch base with your mates now and again. Just don't let them get involved in your sets. This also displays higher value on your part as it shows you don't need to group with your mates and you're a social and friendly guy..

thanks for the comments gentlemen.

yes i think it is a pitty, because the particular so-called wing, is a good mate of mine, no reason to not be his mate. its jsut i think i should perhaps not use him as a wing anymore.

i think i need to find some local wingmen who are, in on the game, who respect the boundaries and are willing to give and take when it comes to openers, occupying obstacles etc...

il bear the comments in mind, and crack on with round 2 next time....

I had a problem with one of my mates a couple of weeks ago.
I girl dragged me over to her to isolate me, then within 2 seconds a mate was straight over, tried to AMOG me and then tried it on with her (fortunately I wasn't interested in her)! I got rid of him by using telling her that he's really creepy and then when he went I exited the set and had words with him about how unacceptable his behaviour was and to never do that again and slapped him back into place!
He hasn't done it since!
Since then I don't bother using my mates to open, i find it better and easier to do it alone, i learn from my mistakes quicker and i don't have to rely on anyone else if i get stuck so i don't get lazy! I just leave them to it and walk off!

Make sure you make him aware of his behaviour and if you do open with him, make sure you show your intent in which girl your after! DO NOT let him walk all over you!

Thanks

James

thx james.

yeha i think i need to be perhaps more authorative with my wingman(men). I kind of expect them to be more of a teamplayer, when i guess, we just cant trust anyone these days, even people we trust in normal circumstances.

i think this weekends gaming, is going to be solo play. and i think if i encounter any internal-resistance, i may try and return-fire... if any mates play of my openers, i might just shadow them, and not leave them alone... see how they feel...

perhaps not the most noble comeback, but will be an intresting experiment, none the less!!

cheers!

Good luck mate. Let us know how it goes.

Hey bud. The guys are saying all the good stuff here. You have two solutions really: Either go out without them, or 'defeat' them. If you want still want to sarge with them then either tell them to stop being cunts or just display a more attractive personality to the women.
It won't help actively trying to devalue them if they steal your set as that devalues you because you guys are meant to be friends and you should care about each other more than someone you've just met. You wanna be the guy who is out to have fun, you've introduced your friends to these girls, you could even try to 'set them up'. Play the match-maker. Make it look like they fancied these girls but didnt have the balls to approach( this make seem counterintuitive but it works). Be the cool guy who likes meeting new people with his friends and making sure everyone is having a good time. Good luck bro

If you treat it like a challenge then use it as a learning experience and afterwards try and pin point where you are going wrong, why your mates are getting the success and what you can do to change that.
I wouldn't try and think too much when you are out because then you will be too in your head, go out to have fun and when you see a girl you like act on your impulses.

You could just try and be direct then she'll know for certain and your mates won't have a chance to sneak in.

ythanks again guys, really good points.

i think i need to try to get less-obsessive with things, just is difficult/frustrating when other people get results and not you...

playing the matchmaker, somethign i will deffo try...

im alos gonna try specific 'shadowing/observation' missions, with the strict intention to only observe and not try and pull myself...

thanks again gents!