How big are you already? Post pics, type up measurements.

Unless you're already stacked, at your genetic potential, dont do roids.

Half of it's water and you lose most of the other half that's muscle once you come off the cycle too.

They're also ridiculously expensive without all the PCT and supplements and extra food you will need. This isn't a 'dont do drugs' rant, I admit they're tempting, when I used to train I really wanted to do them. I knew an Olympian Pro bodybuilder in the 202 category so I could literally get them easier than I could milk (he lived closer to me than newsagent).

But that's all it is, tempting. The guys who'd cycle in my gym would be huge during it but after they'd SHRINK back to normal-but-still-stacked.

Also its not 'help', you have to train and diet a shit-tonne harder! You're training has to go through the roof.

Shah I agree with you.
I don't plan on taking roids at the present as ive realised there is a lot more I can do before I would be willing to turn to them. Including all suggesting I need to be as stacked as naturally possible to get the full potential out of them. Now with facts in hand thanks to Jaz`s link after ive done all I can naturally to grow I will know how to take them sensibly and hopefully should have enough cash coming in at that time to be able to splash on them.

Just because something is written down doesnt mean its fact Find some experienced people and get their advice too.

Pro bodybuilders from comps, find them and ask for advice, they know their shit and will help too. In fact when I back up north I can ask for you and send you the info.

thats not true, dependant on what roid u take. U dont retain water on all roids.

also, the reason u lose gains is your test levels deplete & oestrogen increases.

the point of a PCT isnt just to get ur levels back to normal, its to do it quickly and keep training whilst your doing so. u should be able to maintain about 80% of your gains if you do it properly... and then once u get back on your next course you will reach that other 20% in a few weeks... then be able to break that plateau to get to 150% then drop another 20.

it should be planned and judged over a few years, not just one course.

Cheers Shah ask if you could ask around that would be great. Im not believing verything I read however the link Jaz posted seems spot on to me and ive done some digging around about the guy who wrote it and he seems to above board when it comes to body building and using steroids safely.