Hi, my names Elliot and i'm pretty new to the PUA scene. It's nice to know there are other people out there who think similary to myself. The wonders of the internet, it's Fantastic..and yes that's a capital F for a reason. Just for your reference I am a twenty-two year old single male from Cheltenham and a manager of a telesales team for my work. I know you don't really want to hear this, but for you to realise my new found success you have to know a little about me.

Some background information...

I was a virgin until late, not that late but still a lot later than most of my good friends. It was to a drunken ugly chick in her uni halls. Iv'e got lots to say, so i'm going to move on quickly. Six months later, I left university for good because I had taken a very unrealistic course. I move to Cheltenham with my best friend. I met a girl called Emma, got enganged to her and lived with her for a year a half. Things quickly became... i'm not exactly sure but it just wasn't as good. We loved each other but it just wasn't going to work, I realise now that I was too needy and let her take the roll of the alpha male in the house.

After we split I became severely depressed, I had to stay in the house that we used to live in together for a whole month, alone, bored, crying, trying desperatly to get her back. To sum up she wasn't having any of it. I'm trying to keep this short and sweet. This went on for four months and I didn't think it was going to get any better.

After the split...

By now I had moved in with my best friend Pete and his girlfriend Yasmin. Yasmin has many stunning friends by the way, they are a bit younger than me and more on this later. We live in a luxury town house in the centre of Cheltenham. We are so lucky to be able to stay here, his mum is a very rich lady and as a favour to her son Pete she has let us stay on mates rates. I have to let you know guys this house is truly pimp, epsecially for somone my age on my salary.

We have a fancy ice maker built into the fridge with 5 variations of crushed ice, 5 bathrooms and it comes complete with surround sound bosse (sp?) speakers all over the house controlled by one mother of an amp... and the best part is it's only 5 minutes walk from two of cheltenhatms most popular clubs, 'The Place' and 'Dekota'.

The new beginning...

I still consider myself to be an AFC however I am making a huge effort to change and become a real PUA. I feel almost obsessed with it, i'm writing on a forum about it, I guess we are all in the same boat here.

The past two weeks I have been some of the best of my life, in relation to getting with beautiful women they deffenetly have been the best. It started off with 'seeing' this girl from work, just to get myself back into the scene. Remember before this I had only had sex with two girls, first girl I was so drunk for and not attracted to. I didn't even manage to cum and then there was Emma my ex fiance. The girl from work is a 4 at best, but I did it just to get the experiance anyway she was keen.. this is the message she sent me on fb

"I have wanted to talk to you for a while, I just get really shy, would you fancy a drink 1 nite after work this is my number xxxxxxxxx have a good weekend"\

So I met her in a bar, it was ok, I really didn't find her attractive enough to persue after but it was good because it helped build my confidence up.

The same week, I went out on a thurday night with my best friend who has always been good at charming the pants of women. He's a genuine nice guy, not a guy who would like the game, but he's good without it. I spent the night with him just walking up to random chicks trying initiate conversation. We sit down in the VIP area of the club. I took a couple of numbers but nothing spectacular, tried the fight opener a couple of times... it seemed to be working.

Later these two beautiful little Emo girls came and sat down next to us, one was 26 called marian (my target) and the other was 19. Marian is the type of girl I would of never even tried to get with before, she was an 8 by my books. Much later, while dancing Marian asked me if i'd like to go back with her. I did. She was a horny bitch, she had her own fancy appartment her dad had got her. She just wanted sex. She said "Just fuck me" when ever I tried to say something of interest. We had sex for two hours, she complained my penus wasn't that hard... i was nervous, she was by far the hottest girl i'd slept with and I was completely wasted. I didn't cum either. Shit. Still was an awesome night.

A few days later. Yasmin my house mate turned 18 and we threw a massive house party for her. This was a serious party, two DJ's playing back to back all night till 4am. Two visits from the police. The party started in a bar and then we progressed back to the house at aroun 12.30. I picked up one of yasmins best friend back in the bar, the reason I went for her was because she apparently loves giving head... I had heared this before from Yasmin when I first met her when she was just chilling around the house.

In the bar, one thing I remember doing quite well... I got her interested, made her laugh lots she was clearly loving it. I'm not going to say her name but she was a 7.5 pushing a possible 8. I had to be forward I knew, she was by the bar by herself away from her friends. It was the perfect oppertunity and it was going to plan so far. I grabbed her hand, second IOI, she squeezed back. I could tell by her body language she was really enjoying my attention. I decided to try something, a mini neg, I told her " Wait here a sec" while I strolled accross the room to chat to a friend who had just arrived. She waited like she was told. I came back, grabbed her by the hand again and said "I have something to tell you..." and led her towards an empty sofa (3rd IOI). It starts to blur a little now, I was on fire with this girl I actually felt like a real PUA I kiss closed her within 15 minutes, I said my lips felt a tad dry while looking her in the eyes and I just went for it. It felt good and we made out for a long time like some school kids.

Everyone started to leave around around 12.30 to get to the house party I mentioned earlier. We were the last people left in the VIP area Yasmin had rented out. More blur, some time passed and we were back in the house party, in my room. She had an amazing body. I took off her top, we kissed some more and then I put my hand on the brim of her pants/thong whatever it was I can't remember. She told me that we couldn't, it was that time of month. To sumarise what happened after, we kissed lots more, she gave me fucking amazing head, deep throat the whole sh-bang. I was content. Sounds like a success so far? It was a good night. Later I found out her age, she had just turned 17... I didn't expect that, she was 16 only a few weeks back. This came as quite a shock to me. Fuck it im single and she's hot (or I wouldn't pursue the sex tbh) and plus she told me she wanted to fuck in three days time after the lady time was over.

I wanted to show you guys these text messages for comedy value. These are what followed after...

Me: "Hey (name), did you enjoy the party the other night? It's yasmins house mate Elliot. Do you want to meet up netime? x"

Her: "Hey you don't have to write yasmins's roomate aha, I do remember x"

Me: "i'm suprised you can remember anything from that night.. good times! So, can I get your company at 'the swan' sometime this week?"

Then shit starts to go down, this next message was confusing at first.

Her: "This week's going to be pretty hectic tbf and i'd feel bad just 'slotting' you in and then having to run off"

Me: my weeks pretty hectic too but i'm sure I could fit you for a good 'slotting' x"

I know it was crude, but Yasmin, who knows her well said she liked guys who were forward. Anyway this is wannabe PUA Elliot not AFC Elliot. It continues...

Her:"Well I could fit you in thursday early evening? Ahaha I think I have an hour spare x"

Me" don't think you'll be able to fit me in actually but Thursday sounds good x"

Her "Oh really? You don't know what I can do mate x"

I'm not too sure about the 'mate' part.

Anyway i'm enjoying myself at the moment. I just realised I wrote way more than I wanted to. I havn't got a spell check either.. great, or any time left before work. I'll probably update this on friday. Enjoy yourselves, i'll be reading your tips and tricks.

Kind regards,

Elliot

One bit of advice is say a day you have free that she could meet up with you. Don't ask her when it's ok with her, you're a busy guy with plenty of women to meet up with right?

It sounds like you turned it round though, she's winking and you turned it sexual so I wouldn't worry too much, you are the shit remember that!

Hey Elliot,

I'm originally from near Cheltenham way! I know those places you were talking about, great looking women there to. I'm moving back down there from Manchester in September so we should hang out sometime.

Sounds like you're starting off well. Although what I would say about the text messaging, you're first text to her screams DLV (demonstrating lower value). You're giving her all the choice and decision-making i.e. the power. Fair play you managed to turn it around though I liked you're general vibe and playfulness in the following messages.

I wouldn't get too caught up on her saying 'mate' to you. Don't react to it, or waste too much time trying to read into it, she may be saying it completely innocently or she maybe testing you at some level, either way be non-reactive towards it. If she is testing you its just because she wants to set the frame as you both being 'mates/friends'. Its abit old skool but i've tried this before but if you check out David DeAngelo he reverses this role and when he picks up a women he immediately sets the frame as two friends just hanging out and escalates from this platform.

Why does he do this?

Because he's been the first one to create the frame and its quite a powerful frame to hold. The women is thinking 'This guy just wants to be friends, whats the deal with that?! doesn't he like me? doesnt he find me attractive?'

When you read in that text the word 'mate' I guess it took you aback a little bit and you thought to yourself 'What is she getting at? doesnt she like me in that way?...I dont just want to be mates with her! etc etc'

The point is, whether she has created that frame, (a frame of just being mates) intentionally or not, don't react to it, don't even mention it, don't adapt you're mindset to that of just being friends, continue with your game and plough on. If she's not interested and does want to only be friends that will become quite clear to you, but i think she's shown enough interest in you already to show otherwise.

Be indifferent to it, plough on regardless.

Thanks for your advice, it's much appreciated.

I can see what you mean about DLV. This was huge problem in my relationship with my ex. I was reading earlier about thought patterns and why I need to change them... a mountain of food for thought.

However, I have a couple of questions regarding the text messaging and what to do next:-

-Shall I speak to her before thursday? Text? or verbally? What should I say?

I'm slightly worried, not greatly, but enough...

-Shall I tell her to come straight to my house on thursday? or meet her in the pub next door first and escalate back to my house - it's just 2 mins walking distance, if so what should I say to get her back in my room (it's evident that we both just want sex, I don't want to mess this oppertunity up)? I know whatever happens she is leaving to a party later that night because my female house mate is leaving with her. Whatever happens.. it looks like i'll only have at most two hours of her time to work some magic.

Hmmm. Not thinking straight in the slightest. It has been one of those days....

Kind regards,

Elliot

You're thinking too much about it and over-analyzing things.

Personally in the situation you are now in, I'd call her directly over the phone just to confirm plans. This shows more confidence and directness than to text her saying something like 'Still on for tonight??' which would be the easy way out.

And on to your second point, don't worry about trying to get her into bed within that 2 hours you have to work with on Thursday evening. Chances are you'll put too much pressure on yourself to try to lay her within that alloted time that she'll sense your desperation.

Think of it as a marathon, not a sprint. Just hang out with her, get a relaxed chilled vibe going, be non-needy (essential), dazzle her with your wit and personality then let her go off to her party and she will want to see you again at another time.

Of course if she says to you upon meeting you down the pub 'Lets go back to your place and screw' (or something to that effect) then throw all the above out of the window and jump straight in!!

All the best!

Hey elliot,

Your definately looking into this far to much, dont forget you have control. It sounds to me like your just getting started and you still have a long way to go. dont focus to much on one girl, dont forget there are millions out there just look at this as practise.

A phone call is needed, let her know your in control, set the time and where your going to meet. Dont worry take it easy, this is all a game. I find thats the best way to look at it, sometimes you think to much about whats going to happen that you end up rigid on the night, and cant be yourself and this is key. Dictate the evening, what do you want to do? fancy going for a drink first, then take her to a pub, if not then just be straight up "let's go back to mine i have some wine at home". forget she has to go out with her friend's, by the end of the few hours she is going to want to stay.

looking at your last few texts, you have the confidence, just build on it. you have allready made a lot of progress. Practise makes perfect.

Hang in there and let us know how it goes!

good luck!!

I love it when they call me "mate" and I always reply "yes we are mates with added benefits ;-)

Lets us know how you getting on with this bird!!

Much Success!

Hi,

In my eyes I think it was a disaster. I'll give you the low down. It's not terrible but i'm quite gutted to be truthful with you. We meet at Starbucks on thursday at 5.15. I arrive on time and she's just a couple of minutes late. My inititial reaction was 'wow' she's cute and 'shit' I need to smile and feel comfortable with this situation.

Let me explain my day before. I woke up at 11am, I cleaned my room, I was feeling organised and on top of things. I went out into town with my flat mates and bought some FCUK jeans and a new top because I had some extra cash and I knew that whenever I wear new clothes I get a confidence boost, it's natural; Black and white deck shoes with white laces, new fcuk skinny-esque black jeans, white open chested top and a white studded belt and Shades and I even used eye whitener. I really felt like I put in the effort.

I was set up for a good night. It was a blazzing hot day to boot. We left from Starbucks to Copa a trendy-ish bar in a nice area of Cheltenham. We had a few drinks (i'd had a few before with some friends) and it was going quite well. I got to learn a lot about her. We got another drink in and talked some more.

We then moved bars again to my local and sat outside in the beer garden. More drink and I was starting to feel quite spaced out. Not so much drunk but more a long the lines of sickness. I was clearly starting to get dehidrated. I started to talk less, she started to talk more. I had to fall back to asking her open questions to keep the conversation up. I was really finding it hard to keep up. I'm starting to realise she's very intelligent, active (eg. a scooba diver instructer at 17) and has a great sense of humour.

We have another drink and then decided to leave to get some cheap food because she was leaving to a party at around 9:30pm. I was really feeling quite terrible, I even told her how I was feel. Between us I felt like an idiot. I had to stay but really all I wanted to do was go lie down, alone. I had drunk some water during this time and it wasn't helping. The food came I thought it may wake me out of this madness. I could only eat three mouth fulls of my carbonara. Yasmin my house mate was texting her, they were leaving together so she came to meet us.

I was feeling stupid by this point, kind of angry at myself, this girl was something special and I wasn't doing myself any favours. Yasmin arrived. I spotted a friend from work and went to have quick chat with him about his plans for the evening. While we were chatting.. Yasmin and the girl came up and declared that they were leaving. She goes to give me a kiss on the cheak. I wasn't expecting it at all. I kind of did a miniture twist and caught her side lip. I looked at her and we both laughed it off as she walked away. at least I now know how to spell awkward.

I still think i'm DLV. It's difficult when I know she is very busy, so I can't just say a time and expect to her to free then.

me "That was such an orquid kiss good bye last night haha Let's meet again sometime when i'm not suffering from sunstroke...aye?x"

her "Ahaha I like how you spelled awakward! x"

me "when we next meet up, i'm going to pinch you x"

her "Why?x"

me "Because your a tease and make fun of my spelling x"

she doesn't reply for over an hour...

me again "you should stop thinkin naughty thoughts about me and just let me know when ha x"

She's good at this game. She never answers my questions directly when we text each other. Perhaps she doesn't want to meet up with me again . I know I shouldn't be care because there's many more fish in the sea yada yada. Or she doesn't want to let on that she wants to see me again. Or she doesn't know what to think. I could use some help on this one. Remember if you read my first post, I have done some sexual things with her once before however havn't actually bagged the cat yet. Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Elliot