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Opinion as requested my liege!

Despite dressing like Peter Stringfellow on steroids, there is a yank called Cory Skyy who is on youtube and talks about EC a lot. He's about as far from usual pickup stuff as it gets so I think you might like what he says. I think his whole model is great, so simple.

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Eye contact when chatting to a girl is very important. You can see it in a girls eyes (as well as feeling it in your belly) when they fancy you. If I don't get this I generally don't pull them.

Having said that I think your're stressing too much on the initial eye contact (i.e. pre approach eye contact). Sure it would be nice if you had it, but unless you're a very good looking guy its not going to happen that often at night time in a club. Last few girls I pulled there was no initial eye contact. They didn't even know I was there until I plonked myself next to them and started chatting.

To be brutally honest, I rarely approach unless I’m getting some sort of vibe from her as it feels off somehow otherwise. Maybe that’s insecurity or self preservation on my part, but it works for me.

For example yesterday, I had won my golf match and was on my way home in a good mood. I stopped in Pizza Express to order a takeaway. I sauntered in and right up to the manager to place my order, which was a bit cheeky bypassing the ordering and bar area, but I hate waiting around for dozy staff to wake up.

I clock a cute little brunette with eyes on me. I hold her gaze till she looks away.

I saunter over to the bar and grab a stool while I wait. I spy cutie brunette looking over again. I smile and lock eyes with her, she smiles and looks away.

Over I go. It was on before I opened my mouth…which is fortunate because I accidentally kicked some old bat's chair on my way over…smooth!

I love these eye contact games, it's half the fun.

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In the red corner: Camarda & PostScript are on the side of need a nice body language (esp. eye contact) vibe from the girl before approaching her.

In the blue corner: Rebus & Snake are on the side of don't give an f!

I approach two types:

• the women I want to get with
• anyone in the area [male or female] in order to maintain my state [mainly while sarging solo if I've broken away from my wings during the night] as if I go too long without talking to anyone I can gradually lose state; I know I'm losing state when my concious concerns or frustrations ("where's the all nice pussy gone?") takes over from my unconciousness of http://www.puaforum.co.uk/psychology...-joy-flow.html

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I think being too concerned about receiving pre-approach positive eye contact is limiting your approach opportunities.

It is wanting pre-validation before you approach. I appreciate that Camarda tries to turn this into an investigation of efficiency in return on approach investment with "of these girls you just sat down next to with no ec, how many did you sleep with?" but pre-approach: to EC or not to EC, that is NOT the question. It doesn't occur to me whether she saw me / checked me out, pre-approach. I don't care. My style is I DON'T GIVE A SHIT. That in turn makes my approach better; I am loosened up and chilled and not "oh my god, she didn't look at me and smile before I spoke to her!". I look to pump my state towards http://www.puaforum.co.uk/psychology...-joy-flow.html as quickly as I can and then I just do whatever I want.

I don't overthink, I just do.


YOU CAN STATE-CHANGE ANY WOMAN INTO BEING INTERESTED

The belief that you need — whether or not you can do this, you need this belief — is that YOU can state-change any woman who is "disinterested" upon approach into actively interested.

[Changing any woman in the world into actively interested is an impossible goal, but the key is the mindset, confidence and "don't give an f!" in order to substantially enhance the chances of state-change at least a fair number of woman who are "disinterested" upon approach into actively interested.]

I agree actually Rebus, I'm conscious of that and alluded to the fact that it maybe be a comfort zone thing.

In any event, I still like the whole flow of it, feels so natural and congruent to me...something liberating about it. I like the whole insider knowledge sub-communication art of it, it's sexy and good for the ego!

In fact, I've had cold fish suddenly get interested when I'm chatting up their friends, and even if they're hot I generally remain more interested in the original girl.

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Very relevant question! I would have asked the same thing. Sometimes hard to judge if people are actually getting laid with hot girls with the advice they give.

This weekend: just walked up. Kissed, but no shag as friend put a stop to it right as we were getting in taxi. She is mad keen though and is up to me really if I shag her or not. I was pissed and a bit worried she's not as hot as I remember.

Last weekend: Just sat next to her. Jizzed on her tits (on the blob). Pretty face, body a slight let down. Again she is mad keen and I could shag if I wanted.

Weekend before: Initially very cold. Fucked her. Pretty and surprisingly good body.
Also got another potential from this weekend who I just walked up to. Will hopefully fuck her. Is fit.

Weekend before that: She approached me. Fucked her (this would suggest her interest pre-approach is important but I am trying to be unbiased here). Quite fit. Wouldn't turn your nose up at it.

Few weekends before that: Just sat next to her. Started to fuck on beach, but got stopped by creepy voyeur Spaniards. She invited me back to hers, but I had to get a plane. Again quite fit.

Few weekends before that: Just approached out of no where again. Fucked her. Not amazing, but not minging. I fancied her.

It's been a while since I've had a bad response from just sitting next to them and chatting. If I'm in a bar, just go up and say can we sit here always seems to go well. Usually at least a number if they are single.

I think the answer is it is a worthwhile procedure. Obviously pre-interest/warm approaches is going to make your life easier, but it isn't necessary. Waiting around for them could be limiting your opportunities.

Yes and Rebus good post. I'm pretty sure you were dropped in anti-AA potion as a child!!

I prefer to not have any eye before talking to a girl and just magically appear from nowhere. Not sure why, but I can put a few possible reasons forward:

1) The eye contact could just be for validation and by making you come over and start talking to her with her eye contact gives her enough to be satisfied that she's still attractive with out risking anything (which might be why so many taken girls give lots of eye contact).

2) It puts me in my own head because i have time to think about whether or not to talk to her, if shes interested, ect.

3) It gives the girl to long to make a decision based on looks, if her first impression is what I'm saying and how I interact with her i have more control over it.

I'm not saying i don't make eye contact with people in club or anything, but I don't think it increases my chances what so ever and does not mean a girl is interested.