Getting boring response from qualification question

[captain_freedom]

Hi Guys,

I opened up a 2 set on on the street while I was walking to the next pub and
Said something along the lines of:
Me:"hey you girls are both cute so I'll though i'd stop you and say hi".

Transitioned with you look like a lisa, you remind me of one of my friends blah blah blah.

Me: I'm heading off to so zxy pub and then ending up in a club.
HB: that pub is really busy, we're going to go to BarMed, go there now.
ME: cool i'll catch you guys in there later,
(I then headed off to the pub first then reopened them about an hour later when I noticed them in the smoking area.

Me: hey guys hows it going
HB: hello
(can't remember the full conversation but shortly after my wing jumped in)
Me: Hey this is my mate, blah blah blah, he's really cool he does snowboarding.
Wing: My friend teaches martial arts and he's awesome at it.
(I then DHVed by showing a block then followed up with another kino routine which she found interesting)

At some early stage of the interaction these girls were against the wall so I wanted to position myself in her place to create the impression they were hitting on me.
There's a move where you spin them around, pull them towards you and change positions so you end up leaning against the wall and they are now where you were.
Somehow I fucked this up where we were now both against the wall and she was facing my wing. I then moved so I was facing her again. (this was probably a DLV)


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So now I moved onto the qualification part
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ME: You know, you're a very attractive girl.....but its a saturday and there's load of beautiful women out tonight. So you got to have more going for you than just your looks. Tell me something interesting you?

HB: Ummm
Me: come on this is not a difficult question, there must be something about you that's cool.
HB: ummm no not really
ME: ok you're not doing it for me, your cute but seem quite boring.

shortly after these girls had finished their fags and said we're going back inside now then left.

Now obviously there's no point in rewarding your target for not coming up with something to say for herself but then just constainly negging doesnt seem to work either.

One of my thoughts was to imediataly go onto another thread:
"OMG that sucks I cant believe you cant think of something.... Oh that reminds me blah blah blah" (Next thread)

or moved onto a k-close routine as another form of qualification question.
"ok lets try something else, on a scale of 1-10 how much of a good kisser are you?

How would you guys better dealt with this situation?

[Phil]

Originally Posted by captain_freedom

Hi Guys,

I opened up a 2 set on on the street while I was walking to the next pub and
Said something along the lines of:
Me:"hey you girls are both cute so I'll though i'd stop you and say hi".

Transitioned with you look like a lisa, you remind me of one of my friends blah blah blah.

Me: I'm heading off to so zxy pub and then ending up in a club.
HB: that pub is really busy, we're going to go to BarMed, go there now.
ME: cool i'll catch you guys in there later,
(I then headed off to the pub first then reopened them about an hour later when I noticed them in the smoking area.

Me: hey guys hows it going
HB: hello
(can't remember the full conversation but shortly after my wing jumped in)
Me: Hey this is my mate, blah blah blah, he's really cool he does snowboarding.
Wing: My friend teaches martial arts and he's awesome at it.
(I then DHVed by showing a block then followed up with another kino routine which she found interesting)

At some early stage of the interaction these girls were against the wall so I wanted to position myself in her place to create the impression they were hitting on me.
There's a move where you spin them around, pull them towards you and change positions so you end up leaning against the wall and they are now where you were.
Somehow I fucked this up where we were now both against the wall and she was facing my wing. I then moved so I was facing her again. (this was probably a DLV)


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So now I moved onto the qualification part
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ME: You know, you're a very attractive girl.....but its a saturday and there's load of beautiful women out tonight. So you got to have more going for you than just your looks. Tell me something interesting you?

HB: Ummm
Me: come on this is not a difficult question, there must be something about you that's cool.
HB: ummm no not really
ME: ok you're not doing it for me, your cute but seem quite boring.

shortly after these girls had finished their fags and said we're going back inside now then left.

Now obviously there's no point in rewarding your target for not coming up with something to say for herself but then just constainly negging doesnt seem to work either.

One of my thoughts was to imediataly go onto another thread:
"OMG that sucks I cant believe you cant think of something.... Oh that reminds me blah blah blah" (Next thread)

or moved onto a k-close routine as another form of qualification question.
"ok lets try something else, on a scale of 1-10 how much of a good kisser are you?

How would you guys better dealt with this situation?

Mate im gonna seem like a complete prick here but its for ur own good...

WHAT THE FUCK... that sounded like page 4 of a PUA book... u need to get out of the habit of trying to be MYSTERY .. ye the guy has a massive hold on pickup but he needs to fill books... and does so with SHIT

if a girl is in a position and u feel akwards... just say that looks like a comfy spot... "move.. im takin it ...SMILE WHEN U SAY IT, ALWAYS SMILE WHEN U SAY EVERYTHIN AS YOU CANT OFFEND THEM...

wether she moves or not isnt the issue UR MAKIN A FUN LITTLE ARGUMENT... girls love to toy fight, argue play its pre passion

you seem boring... u sat the to a girl u hardly know without a massive smirk ur gettin fuced off... just be with girls how u are with ur mates...

THATS IT... ur friends are entertained by u... maybe she will maybe she wont but PUA is good... the material is shit....

just be u.... but in a sence where... u use the methods HOW U WOULD USE THEM... its difficult to explain but if u dont get it re post and ill put a full explaination when im not fucked

serious tho... get out of the brainwashed mindset the stupid fuckin americans are in... there is a reason it makes so much money.. coz people need to keep buyin stuff coz its not workin

[Morgan]

Don't worry about Phil, he's right that you need to eventually move on from canned material, but there's no shame in it for a lot of early game and it's still worth dipping into during the middle of your journey as far as I know.

Save that I'm not qualified to give advice.

[captain_freedom]

just be with girls how u are with ur mates...

Hmmm thats an interesting point.

When I open sets the conversation is natural and I only use canned to fall back on if things go dry. Plus I like to follow some kind of structure to bridge between each step.

[LLOYD]

Hey Cap don't be needy!
If ur not interested move on!



LL

[Loke]

I reckon most people wouldn't be on here if just doing it the natural way worked for them. Using some canned stuff etc, to learn etc is not a bad thing.

Mystery does say in his second book that going more natural is what will happen once you get better and more confident. Not everyone comes out of the block like a raging testosterone filled Don Juan.

Fake it, until you make it.

[niknak]

I'm no expert but a couple of bits of structured game I've learnt and tweaked from similar experience;

Assume these girls were giving you IOIs before throwing in a big qualification question like that? No way they are gonna answer if they're not into you a lot. Plus I think you need to rephrase that qualifier, it sounds too american and cheesy - the guys are 100% right. A lot of the american stuff you will have to completely rephrase / work on delivery if you don't want it to come off canned.

But assuming you had the stuff above covered and they geuinely couldn't think of anything, try 'leading them' to the right answer. For example;

Tell me something interesting you...
Ummm...
Well superman can melt buildings with his laser vision...what would your super power be?

She can then either think of something she's good at (in real world) as her super-power, or she'll give a proper super-power answer (e.g flying). If she doesn't at least it gives you material to keep talk yourself (ie what powers you'd choose), then continue trying to build attraction, rather than IOD / neg.

[Loke]

Certainly,Kowalski. But nothing wrong with using some support wheels while you learn to cycle and gain the confidence to just go out there and have fun.

[aofelix]

"ME: You know, you're a very attractive girl.....but its a saturday and there's load of beautiful women out tonight. So you got to have more going for you than just your looks. Tell me something interesting you?"



I personally hate that question. it sounds sooo unnatural, much alike a job interview. The closest thing i've said to a girl which sounded like that was "what makes you special?" whilst smiling and looking into her eyes. that can easily lead to making out with the girl there and then.

Although I usually agree with Phil and Kowalski, I don't disagree with using the general structure which a lot of pickup books suggest. I can imagine some people do need that crutch to begin with. Please just keep in mind that you should be continuously developing yourself so that you don't need them. Don't take them as gospel and don't copy the moves they do exactly... I mean seriously a lot of the questions and games they play are so lame lol.

[Loke]

Without doing some research I can't prove one way or another wether using pick up theory works or not, I'll concede the point.

All I can say, it feels like it works to me and it made me a lot more confident in my approaches so that I now use a natural approach.