So...I went out on the town tonight with only one intention, to get comfortable with being in a night bar social situation. No approaching involved.

I started off a bit nervous. I had a couple of drinks then we headed onto a bar where the girls hang out. After about an hour (and a few more drinks) I mustered up the courage to approach two women at the bar.

It went really well then I ran out of ammunition so to speak. But it was positive so I was happy to leave it at that. Leave them wanting more before it went stale.

Later on I saw three young hotties talking together. I approached and said "are you all sisters then". The leader one said "no way!" and that got the conversation going nicely. I was all set up for this. But then from nowhere this amog appeared, totally ignored my presence and lifted his T-shirt to show them (I'm assuming) a nipple tattoo or something. How pathetic. I could see they weren't that impressed but they felt they had to pay attention and it killed the thing I had started off. I just left the scene because I didn't know what to do in response to that. I mean I didn't know how to get them back.

How would you guys deal with this type of situation?

Thanks Jaz,

I wondered whether I was meant do something "alpha" in response to the action by this guy. I was a bit surprised that he didn't even speak to me or make eye contact with me. So it wasn't a direct challenge. He was just trying to grab back attention from girls he thought he already had in the bag. Then I came along being more bold. I think as you say it was just another thing that happened in the night game and you need to avoid being thrown off by these things and keep on going.

If that guy knew how much more my need was greater than his he would probably have let me in. But unfortunately that's not the way it seems to work. Desperation does not give you any sort of advantage.

it's a disadvantage...if you let it show through

in respect of getting women it's a serious disadvantage and has to be hidden at all costs.

I'm going to shut up in a minute. But I think you can counter desperation by turning it into charm. It's not as simple as that but I'm working on that. I don't mean sympathy which is a totally different thing. I'm talking about charming a woman, any woman, off her feet. It's possible after an initial intro and once they are comfortable with you.

I believe you can carry any woman, young, old, beautiful, whatever, off on a cloud; That's a gift we have as men. it's in our gift to do that.

it's a simple fact of realising that's in your gift.

Anyway, going back to the amog situ, As jaz said, I should have kept going on the one I was after. Actually they were all good looking but the one I was after did keep eye contact and it was me who lost it when Mr amog appeared. We are so quick to blame girls for things failing but when we look hard at ourselves it's maybe us that need some more work.

Girls are actually very forgiving of our failings. Just ignore the dickheads that crop up. Stay interested in the girl you're interested in. That's the lesson I'm learning.

Are you a troll?

hehe, not at all, I seemed to have a bad case of verbal diarrhea at the end there.

I appreciated your response to my post btw.

On more sober reflection I don't think that guy was what you'd call an amog. He maybe just saw me making a move and it spurred him into action.

I think you're right Phenom on the confidence thing. I think in general I'm ending interactions prematurely because I'm assuming they want me to go away as quickly as possible. I'll need to practice sticking it out longer whatever distractions come along.