Thanks for the heads up Phil, but that's really not why I'm here. PUA is very much a peripheral issue that pops up occasionally in my coaching, certainly not where my niche is. It's easy for women to get cross and disenchanted by PUA, but I'd like to understand it better, and get to know some of the people that use it. It's a really dumb thing to attack or disregard something without truly knowing it, so I'm hoping to get a deeper understanding. I get you guys could feel it's an intrusion having a woman on the forum - sorry if I've ruffled feathers, and I really am grateful for the welcome.