I know Phil didn't start this thread for it to be about looks but I would like to add something. Ok, I have a mate who does great with fit good looking women. He works in construction and has pulled tons of fitties in the day while he is at work or just after finishing work for the day and what I find interesting is that this is when he is in his work clothes, so dirty rigger boots, dirty jeans or shorts and obviously he's not showered so dirty hands and finger nails but it doesn't seem to do him any harm whatsoever. He's not what you would call good looking, probably a bit above average but he does have a natural charm that women (or at least the ones he goes for) find very attractive