i really found puatrianing to be one of the few that didnt try and scam and tricka and went much more 'natural'. The things that i learnt being natural making connections from gambler and kezia have been useful, and theres a constant update on new techniques on the puatrianing blog.. perhaps im mistaken and maybe they are conmen..but i remember emailing richard la ruina about a problem i had with a girl, and he sent me a number of a guy to talk to help me deal with it and has always seemed like a good guy imo..