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Default 06-10-2016, 05:36 PM

Right, I was a bit summary in explaining this and I'm not entirely sure you see what I'm getting at, so I'll unpack it a little more.

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You're saying to just keep doing what i'm doing because once I start to feel comfortable with this small talk, she will sense that, and will be less likely to walk away?
In a sense, but there's a bit more to it than that. If anything I'm telling you to try less hard. A big reason why you struggle to keep these conversations going or struggle to have fun conversations is because you're 'trying to make it fun for the girl'. I saw this was a point of confusion when you responded to alexander83's FR. He was talking about self amusement - having fun himself regardless of whether other people are and independent of how his conversations go. You were confusing that with the opposite - attempting to amuse other people.

Feeling the need to be fun and entertaining is one of the most stifling things you can do, and it's palpable. Girls in bars get guys talking to them all the time. If you can just go out with a bunch of girls one night and watch the way guys come up to them. What you'll see is a bunch of guys doing exactly the same thing; trying to be entertaining. It has the opposite effect, and just comes across as stilted, insincere and try hard.

Conversely, when you stop 'trying to be fun' it doesn't come across that way. A sincere relaxed bit of small talk is infinitely preferable to some dude coming up to you and trying to entertain you in some attempt to make you like him. You come off as much more high status, because confident, boss ass people don't worry about entertaining others. And the grand irony is you're way more likely to have an actual fun conversation this way, because it's way easier for both you and the girl to relax and free associate. It's just like when you have a fun ass conversation with friends. They start off fairly dull and standard and they develop organically into really fun shit, because everyone's relaxed, no one's under pressure, no one freaks out if there's a lull and no one's tying to force shit.

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I guess since I can't think of anything else (other than maybe a 'routine' which i've never tried to use before but has been suggested to me) then that's what i'll do.
Routines are the fucking worst man. The bit above about forced ass fun should make it kind of obvious why. It's just one size fits all, square peg in a round hole, forced fun. I mean try it if you like, but I'll say this. I've been doing this shit forever, I've gotten laid a bunch all around the world, none of it using routines. I know a bunch of people who get laid a lot, none of them use them either. I used to go out with girls on nights out all the time, every dude who went up pulling that shit got shot the fuck down. In fact, I'll challenge you to find one person who's pulling with a good degree of consistency who uses routines and isn't just trying to sell you some shit.

The vast vast majority of the time the reaction you'll get is mild amused curiosity with a vague undertone of 'something's a bit off' to the grossed out shut down you might to to someone who cold calls you and is clearly reading a script (because it's basically the same thing). Besides, you basically end up with the same problem of having to learn to sustain a goddamn conversation on your own. Typically from opening to getting laid you're spending at least 2-3 hours with a girl, and I don't care who you are, with that amount of time in the vast amount of different situations that can pop up, you're gonna run out of shit and then you're back to the same problem you started with.

Learning to be calm, self contained and stay in conversations for long periods of time really is the fundamentals of pickup. Using a routine is the equivalent of getting in an MMA cage having practise a cool ass spinning hook kick in your bedroom, but having no understanding of distance, footwork, stance, angles, etc. You might be able to do that one cool thing, but once that hasn't done the job, you're fucked.

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I am at a few hundred approaches now though and really don't fell 'that 'uncomfortable'
That's not as much as you might think in the grad scheme of things. And I'm not saying you're all pissing yourself, palms are sweaty, mom's spaghetti kind of uncomfortable, but honsetly you wouldn't be running out of things to say if you didn't feel a decent bit of low level tension. You wouldn't even be thinking to ask the question 'how do I make it fun/what should I say' if you genuinely felt comfortable with yourself, your attractiveness, and your ability to hold a conversation. Plus you barely ever get girls spontaneously just walking off if you have a comfortable, non needy, relaxed ass vibe about you.

So work on the fundamental shit. Learn to hold a conversation and don't rely on any crutches to try to make a girl amused by you. Develop the self assurance to understand that a boring start or a lull in conversation is natural and fine, and should just be ridden out. The more basic you stay, and the longer you stay in interactions, the quicker the fact that you don't need anything other than yourself will get ingrained in your brain. The rest will follow naturally.

Oh, and:

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(but seriously, gaz from geordie shore doesn't have to even speak at all, lol. He's a big time celeb in the eyes of the young girls he bangs)
I was just trying to think of a retard you gets laid a lot that you'd have heard of. Besides, he got on that show because promoters in newcastle knew him as a drunken fanny rat. He did just fine before he was famous and there are a million other idiots just like him who get laid without the need to be witty or clever.


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