Seduction tips from behind enemy lines
 

Hi Gents,

I'm new here. I'm interested in PUA as it's related to my field of coaching, and I often come across clients who want to optimize their success with women. These insights have brought them extreme turnaround success, so I thought I'd share:

Lucy Hyde Provoking Coaching

Enjoy ;)

Who lies more? Men or women?

Haha just kidding. Nice to see a girl here.

Thanks for the welcome Dan :)

At least post in the introductions before you self promote and break forum rules. Or show us a picture of your tits.

Apologies Shahanshah, I thought the article would be of genuine interest to you and your group here, hence I picked the tips and articles forum and introduced myself in the post. Being a newbee I hadn't realised I was breaking forum rules. If there's anything else you'd like to know about me, please ask, but if it's okay with you I'll keep my tits to myself for now :)

Yeah, folks here aren't keen on self advertising. Stick something about yourself in the intros section.

Nice website though.

Thank you Broadsword, I'll go and find it :)

Intro posted. I look forward to 'meeting' you all.

shit house

Shhhhhh Phil I think she likes me

Wow - really no ulterior motive here at all. I wrote a blog post today that I thought the PUA community would find enjoyable and helpful, and I hope you do. This isn't about 'getting business' - PUA is not what I do. I wanted to share - if you read it, you'll see that. I'm not here to pick up or be picked up - I'm genuinely interested in what you guys do. Help yourself to my website - I always appreciate feedback, even if it's harsh.

Advise.

I just picked apart BBC F1 web pages after receiving an email at work today from some director thanking me for my input on site feedback and once he found out what I do for my job he asked me to attend a meeting at the Head Office to pitch some of these ideas and I'm getting a free tour of McLaren and 1 race pass for the 2015 season.

I think I wee'ed a little when I read the email. Excitement fucks with the bladder.


Would you like my new site audit now, or later?
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Lucy, welcome. Post and advise others but don't promote or pretend to be a godly-all-knowledgeable person. I like the quote "You don't know most of what you think you know". I've taken a look at your site and you seem to have a homepage problem with a separate page underlay (like 2 pages competing for homepage status) but rectifies on refresh. And your homepage is very wordy and compact, was that intentional as a sort of blog format?
The pics at the bottom of the homepage could be adapted into an infagraphic - a sort of conveyer belt or similar.


That's it for now. Time to hit town.

If you have intention of becoming the new girl- pua- guru ur too late.

its been done to death.

Thanks for the welcome Barney Stinson :) I'm not here to promote or advise - I genuinely thought you guys would like to know about how PUA is received by women, the good and the bad. Ha! godly-all-knowledgeable ... not in this lifetime, sadly. I'll happily offer a different perspective, but only if I'm asked and if it's useful to you. I'm not about telling people what they 'should' do - ever. Congrats on your email btw - score!

Hi Lucy,

I just had a look at u on linked in... u have mahoosive bangers.

PUA and its reception by women is irrelevant. Women are far too emotional and don't know what they want.

They say they want a good guy, but are attracted to bad
they pretend they don't care about money and call it 'security'
they say that looks don't matter yet a 5 very rarely will pull a 10

womens opinon is moot so far as attraction is concerned.

I often explain how i go about pulling to women and they say "id smack u in the face" that same approach at a later point will have me in bed with them.

WOMEN ARE CLUELESS.

furthermore, this forum isn't really PUA. the pus community is a group of dorks who can't actually get laid.

this is a group of lads who some may be dorks, but mostly we realise fucking girls is secondary to living live and having a laff.

if ur keen on social dynamic ur welcome, if u wanna try sell product the other forums will lap u up.

Here u will get eaten for breakfast....

and if u inbox me on linked in... ill eat u for breakfast. then u can make me some.

Thanks for the heads up Phil, but that's really not why I'm here. PUA is very much a peripheral issue that pops up occasionally in my coaching, certainly not where my niche is. It's easy for women to get cross and disenchanted by PUA, but I'd like to understand it better, and get to know some of the people that use it. It's a really dumb thing to attack or disregard something without truly knowing it, so I'm hoping to get a deeper understanding. I get you guys could feel it's an intrusion having a woman on the forum - sorry if I've ruffled feathers, and I really am grateful for the welcome.

Seems to be the females that start talking about this at work. We have huge debates and stuff about picking up, girls picking up guys, etc.. We also go through this list here; 1 question per day.

That's cool. Post if you want to and if you feel its relevant (funny/sarcasm is widely accepted as relevant no matter the topic), don't wait to be asked. If you have something to say; say it.

Better to ask for forgiveness than ask for permission.

Thanks!

its not an intrusion ... just trust mean when i say

ITS NOT SOMETHING OF VALUE. u can't get a better understanding thats the point.

the whole thing was written to make men think about thinking so they buy more books.

shit like

"if a girl isn't giving u her number u need to micro calibrate more, we have this new book on micro calibration"

"if she doesn't sleep with me you didn't use the cool super mage technique which is found on our new bootcampl for just £999.99 for 45 mins"

if u want some better understanding of how to create attraction in women look at david de angelo 66 laws.

women like

Men who are men
men who are not controlling but take control
assertive
men who offer security
men who make them laugh.
men who don't hide their sexual intent.
men who treat them well but who could be the antithesis.
they like men who are interested, but not that interested.
women like a challenge
women like men who don't just put up with their shit
someone who will put them in their place.



all the other crap is just bollocks.

the above is all u need.


now get to my million pound mansion where I'm doing a stand up comedy show about how much i love sex. ill buy u a bottle of wine but not a dead expensive one. Ill have u a dance off ( which i will destroy u) but don't bother giving me shit or i will send u home.

Hi Lucy,

This is not a PUA forum as such (as Phil has already said).
Most guys on here will have started off reading 'The game' which promotes things like 'The mystery method'. This is how I think of 'PUA'.

Ironically most people on this forum don't think in such a structured way and and we want to improve ourselves in general. Not just in meeting women.

Since joining this forum, I have read some many interesting book, in particular about psychology / meditation and it's improved my life no end.

I did look at your website and to me it looked a little fluffy. I'm interested to hear your views however I'll be more inclined to follow the advice of guys on this forum who get laid on a regular basis and who do so without any 'PUA' nonsense.


Mark

I'm all for honest to fuck no holds barred female input

Lucy, keep an eye out for my posts on my daygame diary

Quite a few guys on here give me shit for how I go about chatting to girls

I would be interested to have your views, advice, or critique on it too

More importantly, Lucy can you put us in touch with other women? Otherwise show us a picture of your snatch full of Wotsits.

i give her till yesterday

lol (space) (space) (space) (space) (space) (space) (space) <---- coz the forums is stupid

OK well I had a quick look.

On the plus side I thought everything under the page titles looked quite slick, the way you had tiled photos and articles looked indicative of a bigger business than one person offering life coaching. So that's good.

On the down side I didn't like the header graphics along the top, or the individual page titles "cosy, about you..etc"…that all looked kinda clumsy compared to the rest.

The photo is trying too hard to look professional too. I wouldn't be surprised if you listened to their problems by day n made em beg you to jam a stiletto into their nuts by night. A smile wouldn't hurt.

I've met various life and pua coaches including 2 of the well known female PUA coaches, although I know you infer you are not competing with them directly. One was nuts and the other was a nice girl but you could just feel that under all the techniques she trying to teach me to hide behind she was just as scared as the rest of us. They both traded on being female giving a unique perspective which to be honest was a load of old bollocks.

Be aware that guys on here have probably consumed more NLP and whatnot than you would expect so attempts to reframe indirect marketing will not go unnoticed.

If we are reviewing the site.

It looks like a PUA site. The main header would look right in place with a silhouette of a naked chick, or the play boy bunny.

The text and images are inconsistent and the design element isn't all that great. there are no key lines and tidy ups that most professional designers should be using so i assume you had 'someone you know who does websites' design it.

Not your typical life coach, followed by ur name is too wordy. its like you are trying to tell everyone as quick as u can how u are different.

First of all if you think that is attention grabbing you need to do more NLP. If you have done hypnosis NLP comes as part and parcel and the site has no elements of suggestion nor does it grab me... intact when u say not your typical life coach i read

"your typical life coach"

the first thing you see when the site opens is a gold bullion. I assume that was attention grabbing? it instantly made me think 'marketing scheme'. It follows the same patterns as those MLM sites, or juice plus sites throwing around pics of money.


the guy in the glasses i assume you where going for an average joe... he looks like a pedophile.

There are too many variables on your site. You haven't picked an audience to target you have tried to cram everything without real structure.

Also the slow fade between pages is outdated, it creates a slow customer experience. If you are going to do it it needs to be done properly.

Your website doesn't say life coach to me. it says "ill wear a low cut top when I'm coaching"

Your interpretation of a few of the PUA type things (negs, push pull and so on) isn't quite accurate. However that doesn't really matter since even in their correct form they're ineffective and fucking stupid, so your advice of 'just don't' is pretty much on the money.

The problem is that you're cutting out stuff that won't work and replacing it with a completely different type of stuff that won't work. This is less your fault and more of a massive systemic problem with the concept of pickup in general. Being attractive is something you 'are', not a set of specific conscious things you 'do'. Attractiveness has to be developed as an intuitive subconscious kind of thing through experience.

It's a general cart before the horse problem. People see attractive people behave in a certain way, or get success with the opposite sex one night, then go back and attempt to post hoc rationalise what was going on. This can be practically anything, from being disinterested to being focussed, from being very physical to not physical at all. The problem is that these rationalisations are often incorrect and barely ever adaptable to other situations.

Consciously micromanaging your own behaviour looks fake, forced and creepy no matter what you do. People spot it easily and it makes them uncomfortable. Any person new to pickup who is not confident is going to balls up acting cool and confident regardless of the specific method you gave him. This is why stuff like push pull, negs, kino etc are really ineffective for most guys, and it's easy to visualise how a misplaced bit of push pull or kino would look terrible, but the same thing is true of your more conventional tips (aside from washing of course):

• Standing straight - People who consciously try to control their posture in a conversation generally look awkward as fuck. Same thing with 'finely tuned body language'.
  
• Compliments - Often used in the old school pua stuff, and they can be just as weird as negs in the wrong hands.
  
• Self Kino - Picture some dude in a club wearing a fedora and blazer, rubbing himself like he's in a fucking timotei advert. That would happen. PUA's are that weird, trust me.
  
• High intensity focus - Huge potential for creepiness with those who have poor social intuition. A while back a pickup instructor for RSD was talking about strong eye contact. People started filming themselves staring into their webcams and uploading the video of it to the rsd forum to see if they were doing it right. Yep. Weird.

The little golden nugget of truth at the middle of all the bullshit of pickup and seduction is this:

'Go out and talk to a lot of girls. Have some guts and push yourself into situations that might intimidate you a bit. Think for yourself and figure out what works best for you'

Anything other than that is just surface layer flim flam and is generally going to fail to deliver, regardless of what the tips and principles you use.

But if that's what you want to do, then sure whatever.

Hi, thank you all for the feedback and advice, especially Barney, Postscript and Phil for reviewing my site - I had no idea you guys would do that, but I'm grateful for your input. I did the site myself - so yes, it does have amateur glitches in it, hence it's so refreshing to get the opinions of people who have no interest at all in pleasing me. Thank you all for your replies on this - illuminating indeed.

'Thanks' :D

Id throw you about the place.

Such a charmer Shahanshah :)

My thread :badgerslayer:

Awwwwwwwwwww someone sounds jealous