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Default Universally unattractive guys - 12-01-2021, 11:36 AM

Hi all,

This thread addresses guys who approach loads (like 1000 sets or more a year) and get basically nowhere. No action, no dates, or sometimes even no contact details (though the 3 of these have fundamentally different reasons why). In the realms of cold approach, most guys start to see results steadily improve on a month by month basis. Tom Torero claimed in his "Beginners Guide to DayGame" that it take around 2 years to get consistent action.

A lot of pickup advice out there has focused on "techniques" whilst having a socially appealing lifestyle yet doing both cold and warm approaches. However, a lot of it fails to address a big thing - the guys out there, who are not considered "normal." Autism, chronically anxious guys, low social awareness, men who cannot make friends etc. You only have to look at cases like First Person Approacher and Dan Cilley who have published their persistently low par results, to see that guys like that need long term coaching.

In fact, the best advice I've lately seen is removing eccentric traits, rather than focusing on techniques. In many ways, game is more about removing things you do wrong, than getting things right.

Thoughts?

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Default 12-01-2021, 04:25 PM

Was listening a talk by Dr Jordan Peterson today and when responding to someone in the audience he was like..

".....if every woman you approach is rejecting you, it's NOT THE WOMEN"

Also, the likes of first person approacher are beyond help.


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Default 12-01-2021, 05:42 PM

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Was listening a talk by Dr Jordan Peterson today
Same and a few days ago. One of them inspired me to clean my room up to tidy my mind (whether it works is another matter).


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".....if every woman you approach is rejecting you, it's NOT THE WOMEN"

Also, the likes of first person approacher are beyond help.
A little gem I came across is that James Tusk coached him for 2 hours. Heck if I find the link to Tusk's response to FPA's media attention then I'll link it here. Evidently FPA either didn't take much on board, couldn't be bothered to get more due to his disinterest in changing, or both.

Guys like FPA can change, but being an incel is comfortable and massages their egos. Thus, they are happier to accept their current perception, rather than actually working hard to alter their reality. Guys in severe scarcity who have been like that for a long time, need long term help and effort, assuming their underlying condition isn't totally incurable (and FPA was more intelligent than some would give him credit for).


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Default 12-01-2021, 09:13 PM

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Same and a few days ago. One of them inspired me to clean my room up to tidy my mind (whether it works is another matter).
It helps, sure. Ever tried working at a cluttered desk compared to how it felt when you tidied it and cleared all the shit away? Big difference.

Being precise in my speech and walking/standing straight/confident are the two rules that are always at the forefront of my mind.

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A little gem I came across is that James Tusk coached him for 2 hours. Heck if I find the link to Tusk's response to FPA's media attention then I'll link it here. Evidently FPA either didn't take much on board, couldn't be bothered to get more due to his disinterest in changing, or both.

Guys like FPA can change, but being an incel is comfortable and massages their egos. Thus, they are happier to accept their current perception, rather than actually working hard to alter their reality. Guys in severe scarcity who have been like that for a long time, need long term help and effort, assuming their underlying condition isn't totally incurable (and FPA was more intelligent than some would give him credit for).
I watched a bit of that video didn't bother finishing it. Tusk, whilst a coach, is also a salesman. He was perhaps trying to help a guy he knew deep down was almost certainly beyond help, but he also wasn't going to turn away a fee of perhaps something like 500 quid minimum, no matter how fucked the guy was. Either that or Tusk isn't as clever as he portrays himself (that is, if he genuinely believed FPA was workable).


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Default 13-01-2021, 11:12 AM

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It helps, sure. Ever tried working at a cluttered desk compared to how it felt when you tidied it and cleared all the shit away? Big difference.

Being precise in my speech and walking/standing straight/confident are the two rules that are always at the forefront of my mind.

I'm going to pre-order the sequel.
Yeah the non-verbals are key. I'm still lacking in these somewhat and need reminders by wings/coaches periodically. I can't help but feel like having a more organised living space would help with that somehow. That reminds me; my WFH study is currently in disarray.

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I watched a bit of that video didn't bother finishing it. Tusk, whilst a coach, is also a salesman. He was perhaps trying to help a guy he knew deep down was almost certainly beyond help, but he also wasn't going to turn away a fee of perhaps something like 500 quid minimum, no matter how fucked the guy was. Either that or Tusk isn't as clever as he portrays himself (that is, if he genuinely believed FPA was workable).
Tusk charges exorbitant amounts of money whilst not quite delivering the value he promises. His boot camps are in excess of £3000 and last around 4 days (20 hours coaching). Imagine working out for 5 hours a day 4 days in a row. Would the gains be worth the intense effort instead of spreading it out over a longer period of time? I think not, and the same can be applied to pickup coaching. Alex's 4 week natural is a better example by contrast (even though he's ex-RSD).

Seeing some of Tusk's coaching videos as well, it felt like he wasn't giving ideal advice. I remember this Australian doctor who was really high energy, but I don't recall them actually trying to slow him down much; they mostly just told him to approach more.


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Default 13-01-2021, 04:23 PM

To be fair that looks like quite a few years ago, as in, before he released 12 rules.

In his recent streams his room is clean, so he must have finally read the book.


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Default 13-01-2021, 11:04 PM

Not to mention the all beef and pond water diet and the trip to Russia to put his brain in a vat. That'll have set his house in order almost enough to start criticising the world.

Re the James Tusk thing it's kind of a general issue with the bootcamp model in general. There's no way to fix deep ingrained social issues in the space of a weekend. Regardless of how good the advice is or isn't.

In terms of people like first person approacher, they have much deeper issues than not being able to get laid, and they're better handled by mental health professionals who are held to some form of professional standard, unlike pickup coaches.


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Default 14-01-2021, 07:22 AM

What on earth does his dietary preferences have to do with it?


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Default 14-01-2021, 09:28 AM

Signs of dishonest and pseudoscientific tendencies. He basically claimed that eating only meat cured him of all his problems and that he was healthy and happy... meanwhile he was jacked up on some pretty heavy farma, crying all the time and eventually decided to temporarily kill himself.

And now he’s immediately back selling the same product without publicly addressing these things appropriately.


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