Pua is the first step but you have to reveal yourself in the end.
 

My current feelings are mixed up concerning Pua as its good for getting your foot in the door by creating a opportunity by using the pua tecniques this can be effective .

By demonstrating high value charactistics of someone that is socailaily in demand has ambition is funny can hold a decent level of conversation make the woman laugh dont be cynical never be sarcastic these are my true traits now i never behave that way i thought that i was being charming and witty how wrong i was as this sends a negative message about your self.

Now im into a new ralationship which is very complicated as she is still married but separated but has gone bank-rupt she used to date a kosovonion who was much younger and smaked her around a bit then she hooked up with a millionaire property developer who pays for her shogun her bills clothes the lot.

She said that they were lovers as he is 62 not very attrative she has told me that she wants him out of her life but this guy will be trouble i think she wants to get back to work doing her lectering and accounting.

The trouble is i see her twice a week during the day but im getting paronoid are you with the suger daddy or the estranged nutcase husband.

I really like this woman she is very guarded when txting as she said they can be imcrimanating!Im confused as last night she was not txting and i got very paranoid and rang to check if he was with her.As im not willing to share her at all i txt her and said gud bye nice knowing you.

She rang back straight away saying she cant talk as she sleeps with kids and im the big secret the sugar daddy would have a fit if he met me as he needs money to attract the women.

My point is that i have been honest with her told her my history as its lively indeed and she does not mind that im poor at the moment i think she is really into me why is it that the hot women have so many orbiters and are fucking complicated?

My point is pua will get you so far but in the end you have to be genuine as women will dissect you and spot if your full off bullshit!

Im really into this woman she tells that after christmas she will be rid of the sugar man and introduce me to her children and her home im just worried im going to get hurt or used as i have real feelings for her.

Your advise dare i ask would be apprecaited cheers.

First question on my mind as well.

I have been in LTR's with hot women and didnt' see too many orbiters around them. I actually have more female orbiters than my gf does :) My point is there are very pretty girls that do not feel the ned to have a fan club once they're with a man they love.

Seriously you couldnt have found a more complicated/risky situation if you tried. good luck!

No not at all im going to see what happens no harm in that i guess.

I'm confused by this sentence. What were you wrong about?

being cynical and sarcastic dont be is my advice,

not if its your true authentic self

Sounds like an absolute hornet's nest mate. You can't help how you feel, but the whole situation sounds doomed. Sorry.

Well being my natarul self as im a classic afc got me only dissapointment and dis harmony.

As my dad said just be your self yeah useless advise as you have to attract the women with pua tecniques well i do anyhow .

But my point is you have to be geniune in the end as thats progress and pua opens the doors to more oppoturnities with more women.

If you feel so agaist pua( kowaski )why are you on this site as you always say that you have to be your real self.

The reasons why the guys are on this site is they want more pussy simple as that.

Its a shame that 'revealing yourself' should be such a big issue.

Did you tell some huge lies to get her to like you in the first place?

You should really look to become more content with your self. Maybe you are not the AFC you think you are!

Yes i admit i told lies at first to get her but i have come clean as i dont like lieing i only lied about my job but i have admited it to her i said i understand if you dont want to see me again.

She thanked me for being honest and i have brutally honest as well as ive been lied to in the past and cheated on and thats a horrible feeling to be betrayed.

I have lied about traveling as well and a lot of dhv bullshit but shes not stupid so i wont be taking the piss with her as i really like her.

Also kowski im not against the genuine approach as your theory is insightful but your right to a certain point.

But me being mr nice guy and afc i got loads of rejection in my younger years thats still burns me now just thinking of why im being my self and the women just would not give shit to me.

I think pua i great as its give guys more ralationships more sex more happiness and a better chance of finding there dream woman they can pick and choose once they got some ability.

I do think some people on this site over intelecturise the pua as its simple Phil has the right attitude and go natural and not over think as they are human beings and they want to fuck as much as we do amen.

I DO think too much and over-analyse at times. I know it's one of my sticking points, probably my biggest one. I just have a lot going on in my head at the moment and I get carried away with myself. I have a tendency to obsess over things. It may be a symptom of my ADHD. I don't want to come across as a prick. I'm here because I want to improve myself and the quality of my relations, not just with women, but with people in general.

Oh, in that case, I take it all back then! Lol... no but seriously, there is some truth in it.

@ Piers

How can you expect women to like you if you don't like yourself? By telling lies and generally putting across the facade of this confident 'swagga' persona that you don't actually feel, you're essentially telling yourself the only way women will like you, is to not be you. Dude, you'll only crush your self esteem this way, and unecessarily though. Instead work on your self acceptance as a person, discover your principles and become someone you truly respect. That is what great men are made of!

If you find this too vague, I would recommend indulging in a couple of self helps books and reading up on a few philosphies, perhaps on both moral and 'authenticity and the self' as Kowalski mentioned. It'll help shift your perspective from what seems to be a negative subjective interpretation of yourself and the world to a more open minded state. Blueprint Decoded is a great one to start with if you're unfamiliar with the stuff, and it has some nice details. Oh yeah, and drop this bitch, if you're going to grow as a person you will need to scrape off the mouldy bits.

I will find my real self and try to be geniune as i think this last two months have been very intense for me.

And it is a learning experience for me and i have made some fucking stupid mistakes and probaly been to open on this furum oh well you dont know me well not in real life!

I have reada lot of self help books i read the tao and im trying to be more genuine and honest as know more lairing to get the woman fuck why should i lie im a great guy.

As for dumping her hell know i like her and its not her fault shes in this situiation the dick husband had a break down and left her in debt hence why she had to hook up with local millionare.

Its a case of surviving doing what it takes to avoid being homeless desitute and keeping a roof over her kids heads if anything she should be commended.I said well done you used your wits womanly charms to avoid god knows something horrible.As for midus touch your threads are fine be cool dudes.