I think it's great and ppl saying it's spooky or wierd, WTF I mean what's bad about 2ppl feeling good???

Ok the way he picks up women is methodical/scriptted etc but the result is happiness for all involved.

I thought i was the only one with access to wikipedia

If your consciously trying to be more confident, then your consciously trying to manipulate there perception of you, I think thats ok, my point is manipulation is not necessary a bad thing.


No that is not manipulating, if you lied that would be manipulation.

As Kowalski has said, Zone, my argument (facetious though it may be) is valid. If we are defining what is good with "what works", as Milton was apparently doing, then why not rape? It gets you laid! If you want an end that justifies the means, rape is a perfectly sound tactic.

Anywho, this NLP stuff. The way I see is it is this. Supposing you walked into a Ferrari dealership and NLPed the guy into giving you a Ferrari. For nothing. Acceptable? What if you did it in the pizza place to get a free pizza? Or to get away with not buying a train ticket? You'd be tricking someone into giving you what you want.

What about sex? As far as I'm concerned there is little or no difference between hypnotising a bloke into giving you a tenner and hypnotising a girl into bed. You're using hypnosis to get what you want, possibly against the girl's wishes. Even if we drop the whole "PUA ethics" of the situation and use our moral compass, hypnotising a girl into bed is wrong. I don't care what (if any) religion you follow, if you think hypnotising a girl into bed is an acceptable thing to do, you need to re-evaluate how you see the world.

Its called speed seduction not speed rape, creating attraction and to suduce, is a skill, anything he teaches is not taking away a womens free will, I think your really deluded if you think his techniques are comparable to rape. To think bad of someone so you can feel good about yourself is my perception of wants going on here.

Unfortunity this techniques are not that powerful, think your mistakin NLP for jedi mind shit, if someone was able to reach that level of skill, they would fucking deserve a Ferrari.

Your ideas on hypnosis are wrong, RJ does not put these women under mind control.

I Agree.

To many people on here trying to sell there own beliefs, based on inaccurate, ignorant perceptions, of information, to make others look bad.

I'm not trying to manipulate anyone, it's got nothing to do with them it's about me. I can't express myself if I'm not happy with myself or to put it another way if I'm not confident with myself.
I don't set out to appear confident I am aiming to be genuinely confident which by the definition you quote mined off Wiki is not psychological manipulation.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume you have no formal NLP or hypnosis training at all, but I'll ask this question anyhow:
Exactly how is skillfully using language analogous to rape?

Thats not the reason people hide it from others, for a guy to admit that he needs help in this area, is embarrassing. Even if hes just focusing on natural game.

Most people are ignorant to the PUA community as a whole, so who gives a fuck what they think, people with narrow minds and lacking ambition.

Your twisting the truth to suit your own beliefs, the rape argument is ignorant and insane.

embarrassed may not be the best word, i would say it lowers your value, in the eyes of some people, but thats not important because your value will improve in the long run, with success. Am not personally embarrassed because i dont think theres anything wrong with it. Women buy books on men,and relationships and thats considered fine in todays society, its just how todays society perceives certain things.

Amazing

All depends on a persons motives, whether it is wrong or not, I really doubt RJ would still be in business if his methods were completely BS.

I love everybody , its seems very clear that some people on here just want to feel good about themselfs by knocking others down, common psychological needs being fulfilled. The truth is most of us dont understand anywhere near as much as we think we do, most of our knowledge is based on our own perceptions in an attempt to satisfy our psychological desires to make us feel good/feel important. I have tried to put aside this and focus on the truth with a rational unbiased mind.

It's a shame you feel that way. I think most of the people who discuss stuff on here regularly are very constructive and passionate about what they say and are keen to help their fellow man rather than knock them down. We're all in this together dude, not that you have to agree with anything I say or vice versa. It is after all healthy to challenge one another's beliefs rather than drift along unaware of the possibilities.