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Default 27-01-2015, 10:36 PM

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I first heard of the name internet troll about five years ago, and learnt it to be the name for someone who goes on the internet to be abusive and hurtful and malicious, a nasty character, and they did this from the distant and anonymous position which the internet allowed them. Bullies, horrible disturbed characters imo. Real low down scum. Typically it might be them going onto a website where someone had lost a loved one to cancer and they would pitch up and start posting that they deserved to die, etc. This to me is a troll.

Perhaps I have got this wrong, but I fail to see how such a term which encompasses the above example could ever also encompass me. Thus I feel to call me a troll is not only inaccurate it is very undeservingly insulting and rude, and one might argue that it is quite trollish in itself.
Tat it is you yourself who has assigned such a negative meaning to the phrase "troll"
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In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community
You have posted off topic messages, and even started a thread asking people what they found attractive before telling them their examples are pedestrian and posting a picture of a beast which some might say is argumentative or inflammatory & even the thread where you posted the potentially harmful advice that somebody should immerse themselves in porn which is commonly known to cause more relationship, psychological & physiological problems than solve
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Well, ok, I just want to know if you are man enough to put your hand up and say that you shouldn’t have bandied about such a term so willy-nilly.
Will I apologize for calling you a troll? No because you took offense (it was not given) at an abhorrent meaning that you assigned to it arbitrarily. You'll find the widely-accepted meaning is less offensive and is in alignment with many of your musings within this community.

You seem to have a lot of problems from people's use of the English language such as with Broadsword in this thread. This is your problem, not theirs and it is something you may wish to resolve if you plan to remain part of online communities without feeling offended all of the time.

Admittedly my assessment of you as a troll maybe incorrect but if your posts are for real then that would be a scary prospect indeed.

Furthermore I did not call you a troll, I said:
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What happens when the trolls troll the trolls?
I have justified likening you to a troll in my first post on this thread and you said you'd reply to my points but only replied to the point about who called you a troll...

But as Stein said, this is the shittest ever thread.

Please don't try to bait me into replying with unfounded accusations anymore; I feel I have covered the subject quite fully and it just makes you look petty.


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Default 28-01-2015, 01:25 AM

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By dropping everything I mean, everything: Your name, memory, mindset and so on.

To feel the freedom flow through your veins ! To see the other side, to see another world, to be in no-mans land or rather the scenery of dooms day itself !! That is what it means to be a follower of me.
Fuck off mate, you're still in sixth form and you live with your mum.


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Default 28-01-2015, 10:58 AM

Daleinthedark. I, like you, want to draw a line under this, but i think there is some value in looking at a few loose ends which have been thrown up.

I don't know what you mean by saying I posted a picture of a beast. The only picture I have ever posted here is of a woman who i find attractive even though the picture is unflattering, yet her attractiveness to me still shines through such that I don't even see the picture as being unflattering.

At this point I will write this to you because that picture illustrates what i am about to write.

You called me a troll, well that is just too repugnantly repulsive, however much you might like to try and hide behind that it can encompass almost anything. You know that. you call someone a troll and there is bad mud that sticks. you know that.

But anyway, the reason why you follow me is because you detect that I have something very valuable to you, though you do not know what it is.

It is to do with what Redemption and myself both mention and like to consider.....thinking out of the box.

What you mistake for some sort of trollism is actually just a tendency towards thinking outside the box. This is something you can't see, and this frustrates you....you are clever, intelligent, able, yet you just cannot grasp it.

And it IS important to your whole life's happiness, you do need it, it will make all the difference. It is too much to go into here, but you need to do your own homework......think of zombies, think of the dominant ideology, how ideas (about things) are sown and grown and perpetuated. And consider just how much you are yourself programmed with these ideas and beliefs.

You may be convinced of something, but be prepared to be wrong or you will never see, you will blind yourself. The goal is surely to be a free-thinking individual, to make your own choices, not just follow someone else's signs.

This means going against the general flow, quite often; being one person saying one thing with many others saying you are wrong.

And here we have it, Dale, this is what you are feeling, me not caring about the force of the crowd, me having the strength to go my own way.

You want to do this, you need to do this, but you will have too many forces in your life to break away.........it is a lonely path, my friend, which is why i said before that Redemption and myself are unusual in this respect and in that are friends. He has the strength. Respect and gook luck to him.

I hope you understand what I have written. It is a great gift to you, seriously, and I sent it with thoughts of all the best.

It is definately worth it, I can say that, for all the hardships.

I have to go in a mo. So here's an example. I might say that i like carparks. But people do not usually say that, they say they hate them and want a sandy beach, so you thus assume that I can only be taking the piss (being a troll) because you cannot conceive how i might choose them for a holiday. But if I explained how to look at it from my perspective then you would begin to see that carparks would be good.

So you need to start looking alternatively at things. Get into art, mainly for its openmindedness.

There was a big fire and people got killed, burned alive. They did psychological tests afterwards to see why noone left the building. They set up a lot of people on chairs waiting for interview, stooges, in on it. They someone unsuspecting came for interview and sat down to wait with them. They wafted smoke in and because no-one bothered they just sat there eventhough they could clearly see much alarming smoke.

the only one who broke away from the way of the group was an artist.

I have to dash now. only seconds left, sorry for grammar spelling, etc .......
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Default 28-01-2015, 01:55 PM

Daleinthedark,

You wrote: Tat it is you yourself who has assigned such a negative meaning to the phrase "troll"

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In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community

I disagree with this weak and watered down interpretation of the meaning of a troll.

Yes, my posts tend towards the anarchic, but that is all, and if it isn't your thing then keep away from my threads, for i am only ever anarchic on my own threads. It is never nasty, it is in the spirit of lads/blokes having laddish/blokish banter. You sjould know this, so why on earth you wish to put troll to it, knowing the disgusting connotations of that label....well, the mind boggles.

Now about posting that that guy should get into porn. Yes, it was good advice. Have you got a hang-up about porn? Sex is a good and healthy aspect of life, though can often be problematic for people. I think that being familiar enough with pronography to be comfortable with it is a healthy thing, and also as I believe sex it at the very heart of a human's phsychological make-up it affects all other aspects of their life, so a problem in an aspect of their life could be helped very much by attending to one's sexuality, feeling comfortable and at ease about it. I do not see why you should have a problem with that. I am not a therapist, but I could imagine that one might make the same suggestion.

It seems to me that you just don't 'get me', that you have got it in for me, that you wish to twist or misinterpret the things i have to say. It feels like being stalked.

I am sure there are lots of people on this site that can't stand me or are indiffferent to me, and they just ignore me, which i think is the best way.

However, if you enjoy the posts and chat and banter. etc, and fun and interesting conversation then stick around, but if you see it in a warped way then it is better you just ignore me, that would be healthy. And that is one of the reasons i do not want to put up personal information about myself which might identify my identity online......not at the moment, at least.

I'm not trying to bait you to reply. I think I have said all I have to say to you, thank you, except keep in mind this site has a moderator. Thank you and goodnight.
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Default 28-01-2015, 08:08 PM

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Ah did you feel the pain I was in ? Have you read the book of revelations ? Have you been able to imagine the things I'v seen and felt ?
Yep, raised strict catholic. And yep, and I can guarantee it's not that bad.

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The scenery of doomsday. It touched you, the image you had in your head, how truly terrifying. What you'v seen in your mind does not even account for a quarter of the pain I'v felt. The scenery of doomsday can not be described, it is a feeling that must be felt. Once its been seen it can not be unseen.

My motivation disappeared, my eyelids sunk as I fell into a slumber of eternal boredom. My emotions exploded into tiny little fragments, all I have left is not me, I am no longer me, I died yet I am still alive.
This reads like an angsty 14 year goth kid's song lyrics when he's trying desperately to come across as deep. Also,someone who's apparently transcended the self probably wouldn't spend so much time trying to convince everyone on puaforums how class they are.

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Also did you read the wiki page on Antoine Lavoiser ? Dont be naughty with me if you're not even gonna finish your homework.
Nope. I already know about Lavoisier and, despite whatever bullshit you might have falsely extrapolated, I know he has fuck all else to do with anything besides chemistry.

See this is the thing about you. You offer no real substance. Just clichéd forced metaphors, veiled allusions and hollow self aggrandisement. Oh, and the vague promise of a youtube series that clearly isn't going to happen so you can stave off any demands to produce any quantifiable bit of action or insight whatsoever. No value to be offered, all you do is big yourself up like some guru without having any actual evidence for it.

You and Tat should take being called trolls as a compliment. The people who do assume that there might be someone less stupid just making all this shit up to take the piss. I just think you're a couple of smarmy self absorbed dickheads with no game and no fucking clue.


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No one gets any value from your weird subjective ramblings. If this is something you want to convey in a youtube series you must be able to do it with a degree of clarity. If that will take time then let your ramblings about your own enlightenment take a back seat and get on with figuring out how to state it clearly. If they can't be expressed that way then stop clogging up the forum with this drivel. The only person who has any interest in putting up with this nonsense is tat, and he's off in his own world as it is.


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No one gets any value from your weird subjective ramblings. If this is something you want to convey in a youtube series you must be able to do it with a degree of clarity. If that will take time then let your ramblings about your own enlightenment take a back seat and get on with figuring out how to state it clearly. If they can't be expressed that way then stop clogging up the forum with this drivel. The only person who has any interest in putting up with this nonsense is tat, and he's off in his own world as it is.
Oh, come on Stien, fair doos, let's be right, live-and-let-live and all that. Redemption is exploring perameters of the world and himself......and that is the important point about it all, that he is learning to be an explorer, often out on his own, not always knowing where the path will lead.

These things he is on about may just be a stepping stone to something you might tip your hat to. Let's be honest, it is such characters who have enriched the world for us. Everyday you use a multitude if things which have been invented and developed. I say give the bloke a chance.

It's a bit like me. I come up with good ideas, you may slag me off but then in private use my ideas and take the praise for them. I'll give you an instance, when I was on about falling in love with the little obscure and unnoticed and unappreciated parts of a woman's body. I tell you, Stien, you will have a bird on and be together and you will say, cos you like her a lot, you'll say, 'You know, just put your leg that way a bit, I really like that little bit at the back of your knee'. You'll be able to kiss it. She will be sooooo flattered and happy with you. And you'll remember me and think, 'I have to hand it to him that he was certainly right, Cheers tat for that, you are a good bloke, she loves me to bits now and we are two peas in a pod, nice one mate'.

I come on this forum and find myself giving, giving, it's all one way. And it's not just you, others who read these posts will use the stuff on here.

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...others who read these posts will use the stuff on here.
Yup - it will probably be the crown prosecution service after you and redemption kill some prostitutes


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Oh, come on Stien, fair doos, let's be right, live-and-let-live and all that. Redemption is exploring perameters of the world and himself......and that is the important point about it all, that he is learning to be an explorer, often out on his own, not always knowing where the path will lead. These things he is on about may just be a stepping stone to something you might tip your hat to.
Thing is that's not what he's doing though. Development is based on taking action. I've asked him several times to name one bit of quantifiable action he's taking and he's not been able to respond with anything. All he has is grandiose talk and incessant hollow boasting about his own enlightenment.

I'd be glad for him to develop, but what he's doing isn't developing. It's falling into a comfortable pattern where he might feel like he's developing but all he's doing is entrenching himself further into where he is. Aside from the fact that I find that kind of bragging really annoying, the exact thing he needs is a slap back to reality so he can get out of his cave with his power animal and start on the serious shit he needs to do to sort himself out.

So anyway...

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It's a bit like me. I come up with good ideas, you may slag me off but then in private use my ideas and take the praise for them. I'll give you an instance, when I was on about falling in love with the little obscure and unnoticed and unappreciated parts of a woman's body. I tell you, Stien, you will have a bird on and be together and you will say, cos you like her a lot, you'll say, 'You know, just put your leg that way a bit, I really like that little bit at the back of your knee'. You'll be able to kiss it. She will be sooooo flattered and happy with you. And you'll remember me and think, 'I have to hand it to him that he was certainly right, Cheers tat for that, you are a good bloke, she loves me to bits now and we are two peas in a pod, nice one mate'.
Regardless of the weirdness of your example, I didn't need your input to appreciate different parts of a woman's body. Most people actually don't. You seriously overestimate the level of your own insight.

Even with that in mind, the above scenario won't happen, in the same way the reaction you wrote about Dale having to you won't happen. You also have this odd habit of inventing future scenarios, quite literally writing out the reactions you'd like people to have to you as if they were actually happen. This is heavy level self delusion.


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Redemption, and you are not wrong, it will all pay great dividends. For now i send you some excellent reading of the highest order. The English Mail-coach, by Thomas de Quincey go straight to section 1, the Glory of Motion.
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