the company ran by Savoy.

they have theattractionforums.com - this was the first pu site i found a year or so ago. they push quite a lot of product, but from the work i've seen (Magic Bullets) it's good stuff. having said that i havent really looked at other sites (apart from this), so was wondering what you people thought.

standard MM ripoff using weird canned material, got a few good tips on extraction though, wouldn't pay for it or really use much of it. I'm biased though as I find canned stuff generally makes me worst.

to be fair, i dont see a whole lot of canned stuff pushed on there. they do sell routines manuals, but i;ve never once used anything canned as the whole gig is about becoming a natural innit.

the stuff i've got from there is more on daygame (by Soul, who works for them) and about texting (neither of which productis i bought, just stuff gleamed from the forum).

my reservation about it is it's quite americanised, hence why i like the look of this place.

In my experience there isn't any difference between attracting anyone living in the "Western" world. There's a few minor things when it comes to race and religion but what attracts works in Europe, America and eastern block countries under strong western influence (Russia etc).

Hong Kong was an entirely different ball game though. Even worse outside of HK where there was a much lower western influence. Gender roles, ideals and values are incredibly different over there, as well as the validation/consumer social culture.

oh reflex puts his pic up so u have to copy??

grow up k

fair point, i just meant the kinda vibe on the forum. having said that, to make a generalisation, britain is a more cynical culture than america, where in my experience, people tend to be be more open. some of the stuff i see posted on there makes me think, 'fuck, that wouldnt really go down to well in New Cross', but hey

It's an interesting read, as in to hear someones proposed theories on how attraction works, but it's a bit too impractical and far fetched from my own experiences to actually be helpful.

My opinions on it....

YES there is a HUGE difference between picking up Americans / Canadians vs picking up english chicks vs european chicks....

I spend a year living in the USA and 10 years traveling to and from it 5 times a month... trust me its a different ball game... basically North American's are more receptive.

You only got to look at "the only way is Essex" to see what UK girls seem to aspire too... very sad but thats life...

Also it depends on the size of the town / city you live in... In my local low class chav town, for me (maybe not everyone) its is near on impossible to sarge unless you are a chav or want a chav....... however 30 mins away on the train to London, people are more receptive...

You also have age to contend with, the older they are, the harder I found to get them in bed was..... However once I got them in bed... the tables quickly turned, and they then become needy.

After a year in the game and meeting my now "girlfriend" I could quite happily say that although pickup totally transformed and help me become more "confident and happy around and approaching women, it also made me become a bit deluded and crazy, and stressed to the max,my blood pressure im sure went through the roof,trying to "change myself" as quickly as possible... its simply isnt that easy, as I was willing to try and convince myself.

Oh yes after 6 months on a good night,I could open 6 sets of 21 year old stunners, get their numbers and maybe snog or pomp one of them.

For example I was convinced that a 33 year old guy could pick up 19 - 21 year nympo's but running routines and running round clubs opening sets like a man on a machine gun...rediclous....and quite sad.... im 33 not 21....

However I found when I was myself and not some "wanabee pimp on a mission" I would get the most "success"...

Nope. Limiting belief. Being a foreigner in America does however make it easier. That doesn't mean that the girls are any different though I'm afraid, Americans report exactly the same benefits when they come to the UK.

Same again.

The only way is Essex is not indicative of British culture. It's a bit of a laugh and many enjoy it, only scrubs aspire to it though. What a silly and negative generalisation.

This is also so false. I don't dress it anymore but I've been a metal head all my life. Dressed up in black with spikes and chains I could still pull a chav easily despite being "mortal enemies" or whatever bullshit. Most of them are ridiculously validation focused hence their group mentality. It makes it oh so easy to make them seek you.

Don't view it as an age difference - there's a maturity and confidence difference that causes this. Not all older women exhibit this and many exhibit quite the opposite.

You appear to just not like the UK all that much.

your right after spending 10 + years traveling the world extensivly... UK girls are shit.... id move to America / Canada or OZ tomorrow given the change...