Nightgame: direct opener but through a friend
 

Hi all

Has anyone tried the above method. I.e. you see a group of girls, you see the girl you like (girl 1), you approach, but instead of directly opening the girl you like, you open her friend (girl 2), and tell her, what you like about girl 1. Obviously, you do it with a playful vibe etc. Generally IMO, I reckon it's a better "general approach" as it allows you a chance to disarm the cockblock, social proof yourself (because if the friend likes you, then effectively she becomes a wing girl), and you actually DHV yourself to other girls aswell as make it harder for other AMOGs to break in. You also convey intent straight away with being direct, DHV with showing a higher level of social intelligence (as directly opening girl 1, shows a high level if ignorance towards her situation).

This is just an observation I have been having and going to implement it. Obviously no approach is perfect, but its something I don't see guys doing hence, I reckon it's a gd strategy.

The past 8 weeks, I've been going out Fri and Sat night solo and sober, just to acclimatise to loud busy schizophrenic venues, practice indirect opens, get familiar with the general pace of the night etc. I've had shit tonnes of daygame and social circle experiences, but never gave nightgame a solid run. Had some sporadic streaks where I got 3 numbers in 1 night, but nothing that gives me confidence.

Appreciate input

Trooper

Sounds good in theory but has the potential to backfire because as soon as you talk to girl B at that moment she will think you like her, and if she is not interested you might crash and burn right there, but if she really likes you she will be disappointed you like her friend ...and might be feeling like a bit of a "mug".

other girls usually don't cockblock if they think their friend likes you. they only tend to cockblock when they sense their friend isn't into you, or you try and take the girl home and she doesn't feel comfortable with her friend going off with you.

if you are getting cockblocked a lot and you havent even got to the stage where taking a girl home seems on the cards then i hate to say it but the girl you are talking to is probably giving out IOD's that her friend is picking up on so she is cockblocking in order to "save" her friend.

it's good you are going out though on fri/sat night, and good you are getting numbers. too much people in this community are obsessed with daygame and are blind to the fact nightgame can offer a much better return on investment.

the best thing about nightgame is that you have a much better chance of at least getting a kiss close from a girl who likes you, whereas with daygame you are forced to rely on the number and 9 times out of 10 the number flakes, you never see her again, and get nothing for all your hard work and rejections you went through.

now that you can get numbers you need to work on kiss closes. when i initially started nightgame many years ago i would get a kiss closes maybe 2 or 3% of the time i went to a club, now it is around 25% of the time. i have improved a lot (and am still improving), and even developed my own little system ...which is far from perfect, but having some sort of guidelines has improved my results a lot.

What I would say to you though, is that you need to start being more aggressive. too many guys are scared of trying to kiss the girl and losing her if it fails so will take her phone number as a "safe" bet ... but playing it safe is literally the most unsafe thing you can do. why? flaking is rampant. statistically you are unlikely to see those girls you numberclose ever again so with that in mind you need to start striking when the iron is hot and just going for it.

i got rejected when i tried to kiss one girl friday night right in front of two people, but on another girl i got the kiss close. he who dares wins. if you don't ask, you don't get.., and yes it can really be that simple. simply asking them.

other people prefer to just try and lunge at the girl and hope for the best.


you need to be able to realise when you have a probable chance of landing a kiss close on a girl and once that window appears you need to take it, because it wont be there forever..

and it may take several failed kiss close attempts before you become calibrated enough to know when would be a good time to try and when it's unlikely to succeed. so don't be discouraged if try 4 or 5 times and initially get 4 or 5 rejections.