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underpatch 10-01-2011 04:21 PM

My second day out.
 
I have noticed alot of changes to myself over the last week. All for the better. I no longer walk down the street afraid to make eye contact with people. I can stop and appreciate a nice looking girl without needing to try and not look like a creep. Often looking like a creep in the proses. I have found that greeting someone with a smile very often gets me a reward of a smile in return. I like who I am becoming.

The first night out was one of revelations. My second night was all about me finding myself. When I said before that I was not a fan of bars and clubs. That was not entirely true. I feard them. Not to go into to much detail. When my dad came home from a bar my mother had to make up stories about how clumsy she was the next day so people would not ask to many questions about her new brews. My most terrifying child hood memorys always start with a bar or a club. This fear has gripped me so completely that even when I was nineteen I had a panic attack in a pub. It was at my then girlfriends birthday. She never called me again after that. Cant blame her.

Now 14 years later I may be older and perhaps a little wiser but I still have never managed to be comfortable in a social locations. That was my goal for my second night. All I wanted to do was talk to as many people as I could. No pressure to try and number close. No trying to recite canned material while wearing a mask of confidence. Tonight was all about me finding me.

My room mate arranged another night of sarging. Only one of his old sarging buddies turned up this time. The other was on a day two so we understood that he had more important things to do. Waiting for the bus with my A3 drawing pad I took a moment to look at my emotional self. My nerves was replaced with excitement. Also I had alot of optimism for what the night may bring. I smiled.

We met up at the same pub we did last week. Looking at my environment from a different perspective this time. I noticed girls and the sets they belonged to. I started seeing the other PUAs. Everything started looking a little like a chessboard and I caught myself thinking how I could go about meeting the girls I found attractive.

After my house mates buddy showed up we left the pub and moved down to a club. As I walked in I once again took a few minuets to take in my environment. There where many mixed sets and with many guys dressed in full costume so the average peacocking levels where very high. After about 10 minuets I left to do a little drawing outside by the smoking area.

I was not even drawing for about 30 seconds when I heard"No way! Did you draw that?"

Dont get to excited. It was a guy. We had some polite conversation for a few minuets then he left to go back inside.

I got back to drawing. and with in another minuet and sporting a heavy Italian accent "That is alot of detail!"

Another guy. I was starting to get a little worried. Sure my goal for the evening was just to talk to as many people as I could. But I was hoping for a little more interest for the fairer sex. Again we spoke for a few minuets and he left to go back inside. I got back to my drawing.

"Where did you study art?" I heard and to my relief it was coming from a females voice.

Before my house mate and friend came out of the club to move on to the next I have spoken to 4 people. I was informed the reason why they are leaving is because they where not getting any good responses inside. They where quite surprised that I had spoken to 2 women already.

At the next club I was full of confidence. Already having twice as much responses from women than my first night and I have only been at it for about 20 minuets. This club had alot more women and many where in male free sets. The odds looked good. The temperature was dropping fast and as a result there was no one at the smoking area. So I was hoping to find a seat so I could setup in side. But alas it was not to be. So I setup by myself outside in the cold.

Not even 2 minuets passed and I was met by two women who came outside with seemingly no intention to smoke. They just wanted to see what I was doing. Over the next hour or so I must have spoken to more that 10 women. Just sitting by myself,out side, in the freezing cold, drawing. Many of whom came out of the club just to see what I was doing. Any doubts I had about the drawing thing working on women was gone by this point. I felt very pleased with myself.

I got up and went back inside to see what my house mate and hes friend was getting up to. My house mate was enjoying a few drinks at the bar. Currently he has a girl that he seems to be very fond of. So he was here just to enjoy the night. Mean while hes friend seems to have hooked up with a very attractive girl. My house mate saw me come in and went up to me.

"Did you know that the women are trying to see what you are drawing through the windows?" he said.

I told him about the success I was having that evening dispute the weather playing against me. He seemed pleased.

I walked up to the bar and ordered a coke. I saw that the end of that movie "Dark city" was on the tvs in side the club. I took a few minuets to watch that epic end fight scene. About mid way through it I realised that I was in a overly crowded bar with load music playing and a drink in hand. I was, dare I say, enjoying it.

After the fight scene was over I left the bar and sat outside again. I felt like drawing. Even though my pad was in front of me for the majority of the evening I was talking to people and getting no drawing done. I spend the next 30 minuets or so just meditating.

The tyers screeched for the briefest of moments immediately followed by a crunch. I looked up just in time to see a man being thrown through the air like a rag doll. He landed a few meters ahead of the car with a sickening thud. The lady behind the steering wheel was gripping it with such force. Mostly out of shock.

The man got up. Seemingly to drunk to even realise he has just been hit by a car. He stumbled around for a few minuets and then staggered off. I thought to myself that this seemed to be a good place to call it a night.

A half an hour later we where all heading home. I was already planning my goals for the next night out.

Zone 10-01-2011 10:49 PM

Drawing to gain attention thats a new one, but i can imagine someone getting beat up for that.

Whats your issue with canned material.

underpatch 11-01-2011 08:33 AM

"Whats your issue with canned material"

I am sorry I might not have worded my intention correctly. My problem with canned material does not extend any further than my inability to use it. I am very new at all this. Trying to remember lines and make a appropriate face is a little above my current pay grade.

Currently I am located in Wimbledon London. Yes I do agree with you Fox. Knowing more people is all good. Just in the beginning of the evening attracting the attention of that many guys just had me a little worried. More about me maybe sending the wrong signals. I cant wait for summer. I think this will be very successful during those nights when then sun refuses to set and everyone is outside.

Zone 11-01-2011 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by underpatch (Post 33218)

I am sorry I might not have worded my intention correctly. My problem with canned material does not extend any further than my inability to use it. I am very new at all this. Trying to remember lines and make a appropriate face is a little above my current pay grade.

Everybody has the ability to use remembered lines.

The best thing about canned material is understanding why certain material works or should work, once you have the understanding you're on your way to seeing the social matrix, which is mastery.

Zone 11-01-2011 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Fox (Post 33211)
nice post.

you're really on the right track, dont get caught up in all the overanalytical theory nonsense.

What track is that.

Some analyzing is one of the best ways to improving your understanding and gaining mastery in this area.

nova 11-01-2011 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Zone (Post 33221)
The best thing about canned material is understanding why certain material works or should work

Please explain how you measure what 'works' and what doesn't? If you are refering to a girl not running away when you open your mouth, I've found anything relevant to the situation suffices. No memorizing necessary.

Zone 11-01-2011 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by nova (Post 33223)
Please explain how you measure what 'works' and what doesn't? If you are refering to a girl not running away when you open your mouth, I've found anything relevant to the situation suffices. No memorizing necessary.

What works is anything that gets a positive response, a laugh for example, or a social hook.

negative response, lack of interest in continuing your little chat.

If some kid came up to you, and said i just have no look with girls, i cant talk to them, dont no what to say to them. What would you tell him.

nova 11-01-2011 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Zone (Post 33227)
What works is anything that gets a positive response, a laugh for example, or a social hook...

...If some kid came up to you, and said i just have no look with girls, i cant talk to them, dont no what to say to them. What would you tell him.

If normal conversation prevents you getting a positive response you need work on your overall game Zone. There's more to this than opening.

As for the kid who's starting out, not that I've ever taught anyone. I would encourage them to take more risks. 'He who dares wins' as the saying goes. Canned lines do not encourage this behaviour.

Zone 11-01-2011 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by nova (Post 33238)
If normal conversation prevents you getting a positive response you need work on your overall game Zone. There's more to this than opening.

If somebody gets a good response just by talking to random girls, he would never need to be involved with PUA in the first place.

You talk to me like am a newbee, ignorant little chap.

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Originally Posted by nova (Post 33238)
He who dares wins' as the saying goes. Canned lines do not encourage this behaviour.

LOL I find this so very funny, and so very ignorant.

underpatch 11-01-2011 11:43 AM

What is with the poo flinging? Common guys.

nova 11-01-2011 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Zone (Post 33239)
If somebody gets a good response just by talking to random girls, he would never need to be involved with PUA in the first place.

There's a thing called learning by your mistakes. Pushing your boundaries and getting out of your comfort zone are part of it. It is this behaviour that taught me the most about myself and the possibilies there are. This is not advice for people who are good with girls, this is for those who want to learn.

If there is something seriously wrong with the response you get from telling a girl what you really think of them for example, well, you need to assess just what is creating this negative reaction. Not ignorant, a more in depth way to deal with your issues.

Loke 11-01-2011 11:47 AM

A lot of guys on this forum is quite anti PU, just ignore them if you disagree with their posts.

If you need to use canned material to get you started, then do so, it won't hurt you at all. Just make sure you think things through with a critical mind before you do something.

/Loke

Zone 11-01-2011 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by nova (Post 33243)
There's a thing called learning by your mistakes. Pushing your boundaries and getting out of your comfort zone are part of it. It is this behaviour that taught me the most about myself and the possibilies there are. This is not advice for people who are good with girls, this is for those who want to learn.

Thats actually how a feel about canned material,

The best thing about canned material is not the material itself, its the understanding why certain material has a positive effect. When you have this understanding, your part way to being able to see the social matrix, in other words good social intelligence.

I will point out am not actually in the game right now,am in a 6 month relationship, suppose to be moving in with her soon, which is great but i am missing my PUA adventures.

underpatch 11-01-2011 04:42 PM

Cheers Tony.

If I had not met my room mate I would not have know about PUA. It is changing me for the better so I am very grateful to him. It is also very reassuring to know that I am not alone. That other shy guys out there has managed to get out there and get over what ever it was that was holding them back.

In my case having a experienced PUA with me and looking out for me realy is making all the difference. How did you get through it Tony? Where did you find what it was you needed to take that leap?

Rabbid 12-01-2011 02:09 PM

You've found a neiche I think, but I wouldn't rely on it 100%. But I think it's a good crutch to build your confidence in talking to people. One day you'll be able to do it with or without the drawing.

But by no means am I suggesting not to use it if it works.

Peacocking idea, maybe get a T shirt printed with some of your art work?!

Loke 12-01-2011 02:15 PM

I agree with the T shirt with a print of one of your more daring art work. Wear a blazer/suit jacket on top. You'll get opened over it, and you can then easily DHV yourself by telling the person you drew the image yourself ;)

underpatch 12-01-2011 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rabbid (Post 33328)
But I think it's a good crutch to build your confidence in talking to people. One day you'll be able to do it with or without the drawing.

Yes that is the idea. I have a much better understanding of what it is I need to do now. And I am working towards it. I do hope to leave the pad behind one day. Well leave it behind in the "I dont need it" scenes. Not the "I dont want to have it with me because I no longer enjoy it!" scense. It will always goes with me.

When I was in high school I had a green pad. No one other than my friends knew my name. But every one know that guy with the green pad that draws naked girls. Even the teachers approved. Except the bible teacher. But he was very much a fruit cake.

Rabbid 12-01-2011 02:58 PM

Yeah if you don't want to wear a t shirt I'll buy one off you :p

underpatch 12-01-2011 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rabbid (Post 33335)
Yeah if you don't want to wear a t shirt I'll buy one off you :p

Nice one. Thank you for the complement. Actually it is not such a bad idea.

"Hey there baby. You see this. I made this. OOOO ya."

"Mommy why is that bad man wearing a naked women on his shirt. I am scared mommy." Said the girl who was passing by.

Then there will be the court case. Followed by jail time. Then I will finaly know true love when I meet Ba Ba my prison cell mate. Hes pringles can size penis will take me to places I never knew existed.

Sorry I could not resist poking a little fun. That is actually a good idea. I think I will have to make something meant for a T-shirt.

Rabbid 12-01-2011 03:42 PM

Who cares I'll have a naked t shirt no worries!

I'm just going to be selective about when I wear it. No children out in bars at 10pm at night ;)

underpatch 12-01-2011 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rabbid (Post 33339)
No children out in bars at 10pm at night ;)

Funny. You speak wise words my friend. I still have much to learn.

Rabbid 12-01-2011 04:14 PM

Theres no harm in trying it, could even get the back printed has "Yes I drew this T Shirt!"

underpatch 12-01-2011 04:34 PM

Maybe. To many boobs not enough shirt.

Loke 12-01-2011 05:00 PM

If Dolce Gabbana can get away with making t shirts with topless supermodels on them, I'm sure you can do it ;)

Fox 13-01-2011 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Zone (Post 33222)
What track is that.

Some analyzing is one of the best ways to improving your understanding and gaining mastery in this area.

I'm being supportive of a guy that is clearly showing the steps that are required to improve his ability to meet people and to show people how cool he is.

if you read my original post I referred to 'over-analytical theory nonsense'

some analysing is required, but an easy early pitfall is to suffer from overanalysing every text message or every gesture. I think we've all been there.

Rebus 13-01-2011 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Fox (Post 33380)
if you read my original post I referred to 'over-analytical theory nonsense'

some analysing is required, but an easy early pitfall is to suffer from overanalysing every text message or every gesture. I think we've all been there.

Fox, the number of syllables in your response is a prime number and also equal to the number of pinstripes on David Cameron's suit during PMQs on 12 January.

Does this mean you are gay?


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