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21-11-2010, 11:14 PM
Found this article on looks and game. For me it is becoming ever more frustrating...in my opinion a lot of the pu material out there focuses on the lets just say "ugly" guys..everything is focused around not relying or that even your looks don't mean anything... this argument has come up time and time again about do looks matter, its just frustrating for me because i look after myself, i eat very well make a lot of sacrifices and use alot of self discipline and i push my body hard and deserve to have a good body and look healthy and have that attractiveness, the good looks.. style etc.. so when it comes to reading alot of game its like none of this matters, u can just use a value system to get the girl.. which maybe true but i believe i need to use what i have, use what you have to your advantage, i have good looks so i should use it not get into the mindset that i need to have all this pu material in place to pull a hot girl, instead of jus having the simple mindet that im a hot guy my outward appearance is a projection of what i do in my life so thats all that matters, i dont have to worry so much about running perfect game.. ofc u need to know how to sell yourself but to disregard my natural advantages is silly, it may give me tighter game and thats all great but i find atm its hindering me because im just pretending im some average looking normal guy..
anyway heres the article if you want to read it or give your take on my big rant above.. "Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Does being good-looking matter? Does having money matter? Does having game even matter!?!?!? These are the age-old questions that wars have been fought over. This article sets out to answer these questions once and for all and is based on numerous conversations/musings with AFC Adam aka Adam Lyons. Many will argue, especially old school routine based PUA’s, that looks, money and other qualities such as social status don’t have any impact on your ability to get the girl….. Those who have yet to enter the matrix, the AFC’s of the world, would unanimously argue that looks, money and social status are the only determinants of whether you get the girl….. Neither group can be completely right when defending opposing positions so do looks, money and status really matter when getting the girl? I first want to tell you about where I came from to help lay a framework for my thinking and conclusions. I was very lucky to enter the game at a young age but this was only after years of struggling to understand why I never got the girl… Especially when the motivation behind 100% of my decisions and actions was to become what I perceived to be attractive to women. At the time, I thought I had done everything right and that women should be throwing themselves at me, but that couldn’t be more far from the truth. Playing on the lacrosse team, head of my fraternity, part of the governing body of a 5000 person fraternity/sorority society, having perfect grades, and being told I was good looking, I would still go to bed alone every night (except in the luckiest of drunken debacles, which were few and far between), wondering what I was doing wrong. IT JUST DIDN’T MAKE ANY SENSE! It was painful and depressing. Then I discovered game….. Now lets examine a guy who is down on his luck and has fallen through the cracks. Lets call him AFC. AFC has a menial job he hates, does not find himself attractive, can barely afford to take a girl on a date and has a bit of a belly from never having gone to the gym. As you guys may have guessed, he would also end up alone every night praying to find the answer. How is it possible that two men on the opposite side of the spectrum still end up alone at night? And more importantly, how can this AFC find his way towards the light and get the girl of his dreams? The answer is a combination of two things. 1. Attractive qualities 2. Game Yes, it’s true, having things like looks, money and social status DO help but on their own, they are worthless! It is also true that having game helps BUT having game can only take you so far. In order to pull the girls from your dreams, the glorious 10’s, you must use a combination of attractive qualities and game! So how exactly do attractive qualities and game work together and which is more important? Everyone, whether you like it or not, has a score or a rating. In this article, we will use the 1-10 scale. 1 = AFC 10 = Brad Pitt The 1-10 scale can work for or against you; it really depends where you land on the scale in relation to the girl you are trying to get. Let’s take a look at Average Joe. Average Joe is a 5/10 in all areas of life. He is average looking, of average intelligence, has an average job and has average conversation skills. Average Joe, provided he doesn’t mess it up, should already be considered attractive to girls that are 1’s, 2’s, 3’s and 4’s on the scale (At least before he speaks). If you’ve ever met a hot girl and she complains about how no one ever hits on her, what she is actually saying is that no one she views as equal or higher value ever hits on her. In reality every single guy she ever speaks to is hitting on her. YOU are in the exact same situation. Girls do hit on you, the only problem is, you are not interested in these girls because you view them as lower value. With this understanding, it is proven that increasing your value or score on the scale will increase the quality of girls you get. The only problem with this is that you will still be getting girls of a lower quality than you “deserve” and want and your results will most likely be inconsistent. So whether you are a 2 or an 8, you still wont be happy with the quality and quantity of the girls you are getting because everyone wants to punch above their weight and get their dream girl. This is where game comes into play! J Game is what allows all men from AFC to Pimp to pull higher quality girls with a high level of consistency. There’s only one catch…. No matter how amazing Average Joe’s game is, the odds of him pulling a genuine 10 are virtually non-existent. Game has a limitation on how much it will allow you to punch above your weight (and yes I agree, it is very sad!). Realistically, when you first start to study game, you are most likely pulling girls below your weight. That’s right, if you’re an 8/10, your most likely getting 7’s and below even though you’re only interested in 9’s and 10’s. Once you obtain a decent understanding of game and conversation/social skills, you should expect to pull girls that are equal to you on the scale. (But this isn’t good enough, we want more!!!!!!) Once you have a basic understanding of game, its time to start punching above your weight but what is realistic to expect? Having only a slight understanding of game will allow you to punch +1 above your weight. So in this case, Average Joe who is a 5/10 can now pull girls who are a 6/10. After you gain a solid understanding of game and put in the practice necessary, you can expect to punch +2 above your weight. When your friends consider you a master, you will be punching +3 above your weight. To further put things into perspective, the very best PUA’s in the world can punch +4 above their weight but they most likely wont need it because while practicing game they have also focused on improving themselves and increasing their base value. To summarize, game allows you to punch above your weight and get the girls of your dreams but it is also essential that you focus on improving yourself and improving your base value to reach full potential. The more you practice game, the more you will be able to punch above your weight but don’t forget to focus on improving yourself by doing things like going to the gym, getting a better degree and taking care of yourself." -Alexander Prime     
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21-11-2010, 11:28 PM
i didnt read this right throue TL;DR but i read enuf to know that YEAH
ive said this before... pua allows u to punch above ur weight, but no mess is gettin a 10
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21-11-2010, 11:38 PM
Interesting. Another catch I think is when someone punches well above their weight they may sometimes have success but often get Buyer's remorse or girls that dump them. (Of course this lessens with knowledge of game).
It depends on the girl's personality too. I have a female friend who is a nine. She told me that she would NEVER go with a guy unless he was hot. However, another female friend of mine, who is also a nine tells me that she could not give a damn about looks and that she is only interested in how beautiful the person's heart is. I have seen two of her bfs; one of them is a handsome bastard, the other one, not so much. Out of the two of them, she was more in love with the average looking guy. My ex girlfriend always goes out with guys who are far less better looking than she (apart from me of course). I think she does this for safety reasons. Good looking people are supposedly more likely to cheat as they have more opportunities to do so. Read this article from psychology today: Why handsome men make bad husbands
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21-11-2010, 11:39 PM
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21-11-2010, 11:46 PM
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Basically you should be happy that you are better off than before and that you continue to improve. Having said that, don't limit yourself. Just be realistic. I could practice kung-fu; I'm not going to be Bruce Lee, but I'm definitely going to be better at it than I am now.
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21-11-2010, 11:53 PM
But then again...
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22-11-2010, 06:37 AM
There's a LOT of evidence that looks dont matter in men. As tyler says 'who do you think was the best survivor in fuckin cave man times? zack efron? no'. My housemate is fat, rude, never brushes his teeth but his frame control is good 'lets go here' 'dont do that' 'get off me' 'come here' 'whats the matter' 'whyve you done that, you know I dont like that'. Girlfriend thinks he's brilliant despite being constantly upset by him.
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22-11-2010, 03:23 PM
famous dont matter... dont count....
there is no approach stipulations... or boundaries, its like talkin to sumone in ur class at school its part of ur pier group... every famous person has way to walk to another at an event etc, so same rules dont apply. in the instance of those with sumone not so famous. these are the people they turn to when the pressure is on them... THESE ARE ALL SITUATIONAL OUTCOMES, not based upon approach & close
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