D2 crash & burn – what did I do wrong, what should I do next time?
 

Ok here is a brief summary of events;

Met Russian geek on day game, NOT a HB but a 4.

Opened and as I sat down next to her, she was about to walk off but decided to stay after my opening.

There was good rapport and common interests. Towards the end of the engagement I did the cube on her but left out the interpretation until D2 which was arranged for the next day. Got her number during interaction not at the end and agreed that I would pick her up at her hotel the next day. There was some kino initiated by me but it was not reciprocated.

Texted her the next day to change the time as I was available earlier (business meeting cancelled) she replied with the exact address of the hotel “in case I forgot it”.

Met up and as we were walking towards pub did 5 lies on her so that she would have to buy the 1st round. She was not drinking alcohol as she said she was on flu medication.

She bought first round and we settled into the evening.

The conversation only occasionally went into an emotional dimension, she tried to keep it at an intellectual level while I tried to steer towards emotions.

We went through the interpretation of the cube which she was up for.
Then at one point as I was trying to escalate I asked if she had ever had a massage.

That is when I crashed.

She then said that I was a PUA.

I played all innocent and offended saying that I was just being nice and doing what to me was natural but she insisted and said that she could see right through me. Of course I continued to deny it and showed that I was offended at her insinuation.

My get out was that she is new to this culture and we are not as paranoid or closed as they are in Russia. She did comment that people in London are so friendly compared to her home country.

I gave her the freeze out and left without saying goodbye. Got a text message later saying that she was sorry and that I was a nice guy and that I would meet somebody some day.....

My intention was to f close and nothing more.

Now for the analysis:

What did I do wrong?

Did I use canned material too soon.

She clearly knew about the pua scene, that there was a science to it etc etc. All stuff that we know.

I asked her when she had an inkling that I was a pua and she said it was when we did the cube. To which I asked, if so then why continue to spend this evening with me? She said that she enjoyed my company. She said that she thought I was quite good at it and knew how to ask all the right questions and press all the right buttons.

She also said that she thought I was too good to be true.

[On one previous occasion I was accused of being a player when a 5 came back to my place but we still proceed to f-close so I was not bothered about being found out. She wanted to f-close even though she knew I was a player, but that is another story.]

Did I crash and burn when I thought?

Could I have admitted all and taken the interaction to a sexual level nonetheless?

Ok guys, give me your thoughts, you do not have to be kind. I can take the truth so no need to sugar coat. Feel free to lay into me but offer constructive advice on what I should do differently next time, (there WILL BE a next time).

I will use this as a learning experience.

Avon.

Here are my two cents:

Sounded like a classic example of being 'caught out' with canned material. Interesting and revealing that the girl kicked around anyway - this shows that you have qualities that are attractive/appealing to the opposite sex. You might want to check out some of the natural threads on this forum - loads of people seem to think that being natural is the way to go.

I think you should have pushed it a little more at the time, rather than walking out without saying goodbye. In any case you should try to leave on good terms - she is a fellow human being after all.

Also, I'd personally stop trying to knock-off with 4s and 5s mate.

thanks for that Anthony,

I agree with you, being natural IS the way to go. At the moment my game has two problems:

1) There are occasions though when I run out of stuff to say

2) Trying to keep the interaction at an emotional level rather than intellectual. I am great at conversations that are intellectual in nature when struggle at conversations at an emotional level.

In the above example I only used canned material twice, (cube & 5 lies). nonetheless i was caught out. I wonder if I was encountering LMR and what I should or could have done was to admit or half admit. that way I would have stayed in the game and kept the engagement going.

You are right that I should not have left in a huff like I did it is not Alpha behaviour. One should always keep the moral high ground.

on the 4 & 5 point, hey we all have to start somewhere...... I do have d2 with a HB8 next week.